Problem with picture on XL2

Barry Goyette · January 4th, 2005, 12:33 PM

Goran,

just a note to a past post of mine detailing a setup for increasing saturation on the xl2.

the thread is here

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...hnicolor+dream

and a clip showing its effect is here

http://homepage.mac.com/barrygoyette/FileSharing24.html

and here are the settings I used with some thoughts. You may have already solved the issue by having canon tuning it to your liking... cheers, Barry

Barry's SuperPolarized Technicolor Dream

Gamma: Cine
Knee & Black: Middle
Color Matrix: Cine
Color Gain: +4
Color Phase: neutral
R gain: +2
G gain: +3
B Gain: -2

Realistically your white balance will effect how you position the R,G,B Gains...Mine was designed to pump the yellow-red portion of the spectrum. Also, for anyone with sane mind...this setting is really too saturated...so I would play with adjusting the Color Gain down to +1 or +2 for a saturated, but more natural display of color.

Goran Conjar · January 8th, 2005, 02:24 AM

Here is some pictures of two camcorders side by side. Today I upload on my site some old and new test pictures before and after service settings, with and without custom preset setting. Main problem for me was greeny picture without contrast and undersaturated red color. On service they say that is already in manufacture setting OK, but they set picture especially for me to look as close as possible to XL1s.

You can see pictures here:

http://gamma-video.com/xl2/

Rob Lohman · January 9th, 2005, 06:50 AM

Well it would be helpful if you could say to which settings they set
it to (as you say Canon set it up to look as close to the XL1S as
they thought possible). Would be very interested to see what they
are setting all the settings to. So please look it all up and report
it here!

It looks pretty damn close to me!

Goran Conjar · January 9th, 2005, 11:31 AM

They didn't say which correction they made! I don't know. These correction are made in internal software of camera! After consultations with main Canon service for Europe in Netherland. I would like to know has anybody here on this forum from that service?

Rob Lohman · January 10th, 2005, 03:24 AM

I haven't had dealings with them. Did your camera go there?

I don't think they would change some internal parameters of your
camera. It has been tweaked to best results before leaving the
factory already. Also most controls are available in the menu for
the end-user anyway, I'm pretty sure they just changed your
presets. Seems logical to me!

Goran Conjar · January 10th, 2005, 07:52 AM

I know what the preset is! Camera has better red and better contrast without any custom preset on than it was be before service. Just look at the pictures before and after!

January 8th, 2005, 02:24 AM	#17
Goran Conjar Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nova Gradiska, Croatia Posts: 28	Here is some pictures of two camcorders side by side. Today I upload on my site some old and new test pictures before and after service settings, with and without custom preset setting. Main problem for me was greeny picture without contrast and undersaturated red color. On service they say that is already in manufacture setting OK, but they set picture especially for me to look as close as possible to XL1s. You can see pictures here: http://gamma-video.com/xl2/ __________________ Goran

January 9th, 2005, 06:50 AM	#18
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Well it would be helpful if you could say to which settings they set it to (as you say Canon set it up to look as close to the XL1S as they thought possible). Would be very interested to see what they are setting all the settings to. So please look it all up and report it here! It looks pretty damn close to me! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 9th, 2005, 11:31 AM	#19
Goran Conjar Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nova Gradiska, Croatia Posts: 28	They didn't say which correction they made! I don't know. These correction are made in internal software of camera! After consultations with main Canon service for Europe in Netherland. I would like to know has anybody here on this forum from that service? __________________ Goran

January 10th, 2005, 03:24 AM	#20
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I haven't had dealings with them. Did your camera go there? I don't think they would change some internal parameters of your camera. It has been tweaked to best results before leaving the factory already. Also most controls are available in the menu for the end-user anyway, I'm pretty sure they just changed your presets. Seems logical to me! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

January 10th, 2005, 07:52 AM	#21
Goran Conjar Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nova Gradiska, Croatia Posts: 28	I know what the preset is! Camera has better red and better contrast without any custom preset on than it was be before service. Just look at the pictures before and after! __________________ Goran

January 4th, 2005, 12:33 PM	#16
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	Goran, just a note to a past post of mine detailing a setup for increasing saturation on the xl2. the thread is here http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...hnicolor+dream and a clip showing its effect is here http://homepage.mac.com/barrygoyette/FileSharing24.html and here are the settings I used with some thoughts. You may have already solved the issue by having canon tuning it to your liking... cheers, Barry Barry's SuperPolarized Technicolor Dream Gamma: Cine Knee & Black: Middle Color Matrix: Cine Color Gain: +4 Color Phase: neutral R gain: +2 G gain: +3 B Gain: -2 Realistically your white balance will effect how you position the R,G,B Gains...Mine was designed to pump the yellow-red portion of the spectrum. Also, for anyone with sane mind...this setting is really too saturated...so I would play with adjusting the Color Gain down to +1 or +2 for a saturated, but more natural display of color.