XL2 and Ipod? at DVinfo.net

Sebastian Jacome · October 15th, 2004, 10:46 AM

I am trying to setup the XL2 to record directly to my 20 gig Ipod. I think it would be extremelly cool and useful. Has anybody done it?

Sebastian

Jeff Donald · October 15th, 2004, 11:25 AM

Can't be done at this time.

Darren Kelly · October 15th, 2004, 11:28 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Sebastian Jacome : I am trying to setup the XL2 to record directly to my 20 gig Ipod. I think it would be extremelly cool and useful. Has anybody done it?

Sebastian -->>>

How do you propose to do it Sebastian. I think it sounds like an interesting idea

DBK

Sebastian Jacome · October 15th, 2004, 02:24 PM

Well, I don't know if this is feasible, I just remember reading a thread where somebody suggested recording directly to a firewire harddrive and skipping the tape. If that is possible, the Ipod is a firewire harddrive, and it's battery operated... but I don't know yet if this is possible, direct streaming to the ipod.

Chris Hurd · October 15th, 2004, 02:43 PM

The iPod wouldn't know what to do with the incoming DV stream. What you want is a FireStore FS4, QuickStream DV 2 or nNovia A2D. These all write edit-ready files to their own built-in drives.

Jeff Donald · October 15th, 2004, 04:33 PM

FireWire HD's need a controller and at the present time neither FW HD's or iPods have onboard controllers. So, as Chris stated it won't work. iPods do not have high capacity batteries. Under continuous duty the battery will go dead very quickly, probably 15 to 20 minutes of continuous duty at maximum.

Sebastian Jacome · October 15th, 2004, 05:33 PM

Thanks for the clarification guys. Maybe in the future we'll get there. I remember reading an article a couple of days ago about apple being really upset at toshiba for releasing information about the new 60 gig hard drive that apple had ordered for the new ipod.

It is supposed to be video ready, and have color screen. Maybe not suited yet, but we are getting close.

Sebastian

Peter Jefferson · October 15th, 2004, 07:53 PM

one thing which hasnt been mentioned is teh bandwidth required to thruput.. basically these microdrive devices (ipod, nomad etc) cant hand 25mb a second. On top of that it will need teh doftware to be able to write a DV AVI2 file AT LEAST.

Ive looked into this (as i have a friend who has hacked his mini ipod and now uses it as a mass storage device and mp3 player..

unfortunately its not posible at the time.. :(

Jeff Donald · October 15th, 2004, 08:19 PM

iPods are not microdrives. They are a fully compliant FireWire 400 drives. If you power the device by a means other than the internal battery (it has a 6 wire connection) you would have no problem. But you still need a computer to act as controller.

Aaron Shaw · October 15th, 2004, 08:47 PM

I wonder how hard it would be to design a small (ie several inch wide and long) controller for an Ipod.. may have to try that!

AJ Silverman · October 16th, 2004, 02:23 AM

Software handling maybe? Apple offers their dev tools free, just ask at the Apple Store.

Jeff Donald · October 16th, 2004, 06:29 AM

Aaron, you'll also have the problem of a power supply. Cameras use a 4 pin FireWire cable that carries no power, only data. A 6 pin cable carries power and data, but I don't know of any 6 pin cameras. There is only one FireWire connection so you'll need to build some type of hybrid FireWire cable and a power supply.

Aaron Shaw · October 16th, 2004, 09:13 AM

Thanks for the info Jeff. I'll give it a shot and see how it turns out. I'll post any results I get.

Chris Hurd · October 16th, 2004, 09:49 AM

There's only one DV camera I'm aware of with a 6-pin FireWire connector, and that's the Sony DSR-250.

Nick Hiltgen · October 16th, 2004, 09:52 AM

I'm pretty sure that connector runs throught he entire line of the DSR camera's (or at least the 500's and 570's)

October 15th, 2004, 10:46 AM	#1
Sebastian Jacome Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Quito - Ecuador Posts: 28	XL2 and Ipod? I am trying to setup the XL2 to record directly to my 20 gig Ipod. I think it would be extremelly cool and useful. Has anybody done it? Sebastian

October 15th, 2004, 11:25 AM	#2
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Can't be done at this time. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 15th, 2004, 11:28 AM	#3
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	Re: XL2 and Ipod? <<<-- Originally posted by Sebastian Jacome : I am trying to setup the XL2 to record directly to my 20 gig Ipod. I think it would be extremelly cool and useful. Has anybody done it? Sebastian -->>> How do you propose to do it Sebastian. I think it sounds like an interesting idea DBK __________________ Darren Kelly

October 15th, 2004, 02:43 PM	#5
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	The iPod wouldn't know what to do with the incoming DV stream. What you want is a FireStore FS4, QuickStream DV 2 or nNovia A2D. These all write edit-ready files to their own built-in drives. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 15th, 2004, 04:33 PM	#6
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	FireWire HD's need a controller and at the present time neither FW HD's or iPods have onboard controllers. So, as Chris stated it won't work. iPods do not have high capacity batteries. Under continuous duty the battery will go dead very quickly, probably 15 to 20 minutes of continuous duty at maximum. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 15th, 2004, 02:24 PM	#4
Sebastian Jacome Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Quito - Ecuador Posts: 28	Well, I don't know if this is feasible, I just remember reading a thread where somebody suggested recording directly to a firewire harddrive and skipping the tape. If that is possible, the Ipod is a firewire harddrive, and it's battery operated... but I don't know yet if this is possible, direct streaming to the ipod.

October 15th, 2004, 05:33 PM	#7
Sebastian Jacome Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Quito - Ecuador Posts: 28	Thanks for the clarification guys. Maybe in the future we'll get there. I remember reading an article a couple of days ago about apple being really upset at toshiba for releasing information about the new 60 gig hard drive that apple had ordered for the new ipod. It is supposed to be video ready, and have color screen. Maybe not suited yet, but we are getting close. Sebastian

October 15th, 2004, 07:53 PM	#8
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	one thing which hasnt been mentioned is teh bandwidth required to thruput.. basically these microdrive devices (ipod, nomad etc) cant hand 25mb a second. On top of that it will need teh doftware to be able to write a DV AVI2 file AT LEAST. Ive looked into this (as i have a friend who has hacked his mini ipod and now uses it as a mass storage device and mp3 player.. unfortunately its not posible at the time.. :(

October 15th, 2004, 08:19 PM	#9
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	iPods are not microdrives. They are a fully compliant FireWire 400 drives. If you power the device by a means other than the internal battery (it has a 6 wire connection) you would have no problem. But you still need a computer to act as controller. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 15th, 2004, 08:47 PM	#10
Aaron Shaw Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 587	I wonder how hard it would be to design a small (ie several inch wide and long) controller for an Ipod.. may have to try that!

October 16th, 2004, 02:23 AM	#11
AJ Silverman Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 28	Software handling maybe? Apple offers their dev tools free, just ask at the Apple Store.

October 16th, 2004, 06:29 AM	#12
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	Aaron, you'll also have the problem of a power supply. Cameras use a 4 pin FireWire cable that carries no power, only data. A 6 pin cable carries power and data, but I don't know of any 6 pin cameras. There is only one FireWire connection so you'll need to build some type of hybrid FireWire cable and a power supply. __________________ Jeff Donald Carpe Diem Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Where to Buy? From the best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 16th, 2004, 09:13 AM	#13
Aaron Shaw Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 587	Thanks for the info Jeff. I'll give it a shot and see how it turns out. I'll post any results I get.

October 16th, 2004, 09:49 AM	#14
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	There's only one DV camera I'm aware of with a 6-pin FireWire connector, and that's the Sony DSR-250. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 16th, 2004, 09:52 AM	#15
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	I'm pretty sure that connector runs throught he entire line of the DSR camera's (or at least the 500's and 570's)