XL2 owners

Evan Fisher · September 18th, 2004, 04:57 PM

That depends on where you are uploading to. If you hae an iDisk on a .Mac account, send it up DV uncompressed. I'm sure some of us would like to see the footage pure and clean.

Evan

Brian Gauthier · September 18th, 2004, 07:04 PM

if not there are people that are around who would love to help out in the hosting department...

Daniel Stone · September 18th, 2004, 10:06 PM

That's why I'm afraid to order the XL2 right now. With my luck, they'd come out with an XL2s and say, "Oh, and we've fixed this problem and that problem... and for everyone who has these problems on the previous XL2: too bad!" I've bought too many 'first run' cars that have problems that get "fixed" on newer models -- problems that I have to live with.

I'd DEFINITELY send it back.

Evan Fisher · September 18th, 2004, 11:03 PM

I've been testing out my XL2 for the last 2 days and i haven't found any problems with it yet.

David Levine · September 19th, 2004, 02:05 AM

Noticed the same flickering, took the camera back to the store and exchanged, there seems ti be a faint flicker on the new camera but very faint, dont think it will be an issue

Kevin Triplett · September 19th, 2004, 07:00 PM

I've noticed the flickering on mine but I'm not concerned about it. It appears to be scan rate flicker, like the LCD refresh rate is right at visual perception -- maybe that's why some people notice it and others don't. It's not annoying to me and it's only when I look for it at specific angles.

David Levine · September 19th, 2004, 07:05 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Kevin Triplett : I've noticed the flickering on mine but I'm not concerned about it. It appears to be scan rate flicker, like the LCD refresh rate is right at visual perception -- maybe that's why some people notice it and others don't. It's not annoying to me and it's only when I look for it at specific angles. -->>>

On the camera I now have I notice a very faint flicker only at some angles that I suspect is what your seeing and is normal
In the camera I returned it was a much brighter and more pulsing flicker, this too may have been no problem or may have spoken to some internal calibrations or something ebing off, no idea, but as the extended warrenty I bought allows me to pretty much smash the camera to bits and get a new one for the next couple years and for the first 30 days do an over the counter exchange, if there is even a hint something is wrong, its best to check it out or exchange it
There is a definite noticable difference in the flicker between the two

Kevin Triplett · September 19th, 2004, 07:36 PM

Ah ha -- well if a comparison between two units reveals a difference between the flickers, I feel fortunately to have only a slight flickering. I'll try to check any other XL2 units I come across and report.

Paul Pelalas · September 19th, 2004, 10:00 PM

Id love to see the fashion trade show footage, I shoot alot of those.

Rob Lohman · September 20th, 2004, 05:26 AM

An LCD should not have a refresh rate. What I'm guessing y'all
are seeing is the low framerate of 24p. Does it happen in 30p or
60i as well? When shooting in 24p the frame is probably just
updated 24 times a second which you may notice. The picture
updates has a too low of a refresh rate probably. Again, the LCD
doesn't have one (it has a response time from full black to full white)

Evan Fisher · September 20th, 2004, 09:22 AM

I see the flicker in 16:9 mode as well. The thing is, I only see it when I'm looking for it not when I'm shooting. I only see it in the black bars and i'm not worrying about it. Perfection would be nice, but after shooting for about 5 hours yesterday, for me it is a non-issue.

David Levine · September 20th, 2004, 01:36 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : An LCD should not have a refresh rate. What I'm guessing y'all
are seeing is the low framerate of 24p. Does it happen in 30p or
60i as well? When shooting in 24p the frame is probably just
updated 24 times a second which you may notice. The picture
updates has a too low of a refresh rate probably. Again, the LCD
doesn't have one (it has a response time from full black to full white) -->>>

Checked it in 60i 30p and 24p mode, was present in all

Evan Fisher · September 20th, 2004, 02:37 PM

My guess is (and it is a guess) it is a power related issue. Possibly a way to lessen the amount of power that the LCD needs to use. I think the only way we'll ever know for sure though is if enough concerned members contact Canon directly.

Honestly though, I did not see it at 4:3 60i or 30p.
I saw a faint flicker at 24p which seems like I'm looking at 24fps so it didn't bother me.

At 16:9 I could see the flicker in all frame rates, however, like I said in my previous post, I was so busy composing, exposing and following my subjects that while shooting, I didn't notice at all.

Kevin Chao · September 21st, 2004, 11:04 PM

the flicker only occurs on 16:9... on 4:3, it is not existent... the only thing flickering is the black bars on top and bottom of the letterbox.... as for the footage... what compression should i use and where should i upload it to...

John Wheeler · September 22nd, 2004, 08:41 AM

Kevin. Are you saying that the flicker is "burned" or recorded onto the tape? Or did you just record the VF with another camera?

j.

September 18th, 2004, 04:57 PM	#61
Evan Fisher Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca. Posts: 137	That depends on where you are uploading to. If you hae an iDisk on a .Mac account, send it up DV uncompressed. I'm sure some of us would like to see the footage pure and clean. Evan __________________ Fisher Media Productions

September 18th, 2004, 11:03 PM	#64
Evan Fisher Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca. Posts: 137	I've been testing out my XL2 for the last 2 days and i haven't found any problems with it yet. __________________ Fisher Media Productions

September 19th, 2004, 02:05 AM	#65
David Levine New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 20	Flicker Noticed the same flickering, took the camera back to the store and exchanged, there seems ti be a faint flicker on the new camera but very faint, dont think it will be an issue

September 20th, 2004, 05:26 AM	#70
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	An LCD should not have a refresh rate. What I'm guessing y'all are seeing is the low framerate of 24p. Does it happen in 30p or 60i as well? When shooting in 24p the frame is probably just updated 24 times a second which you may notice. The picture updates has a too low of a refresh rate probably. Again, the LCD doesn't have one (it has a response time from full black to full white) __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

September 20th, 2004, 09:22 AM	#71
Evan Fisher Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca. Posts: 137	I see the flicker in 16:9 mode as well. The thing is, I only see it when I'm looking for it not when I'm shooting. I only see it in the black bars and i'm not worrying about it. Perfection would be nice, but after shooting for about 5 hours yesterday, for me it is a non-issue. __________________ Fisher Media Productions

September 18th, 2004, 07:04 PM	#62
Brian Gauthier Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: honolulu, hi Posts: 54	if not there are people that are around who would love to help out in the hosting department...

September 18th, 2004, 10:06 PM	#63
Daniel Stone Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 84	That's why I'm afraid to order the XL2 right now. With my luck, they'd come out with an XL2s and say, "Oh, and we've fixed this problem and that problem... and for everyone who has these problems on the previous XL2: too bad!" I've bought too many 'first run' cars that have problems that get "fixed" on newer models -- problems that I have to live with. I'd DEFINITELY send it back.

September 19th, 2004, 07:00 PM	#66
Kevin Triplett Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 47	I've noticed the flickering on mine but I'm not concerned about it. It appears to be scan rate flicker, like the LCD refresh rate is right at visual perception -- maybe that's why some people notice it and others don't. It's not annoying to me and it's only when I look for it at specific angles.

September 19th, 2004, 07:05 PM	#67
David Levine New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 20	<<<-- Originally posted by Kevin Triplett : I've noticed the flickering on mine but I'm not concerned about it. It appears to be scan rate flicker, like the LCD refresh rate is right at visual perception -- maybe that's why some people notice it and others don't. It's not annoying to me and it's only when I look for it at specific angles. -->>> On the camera I now have I notice a very faint flicker only at some angles that I suspect is what your seeing and is normal In the camera I returned it was a much brighter and more pulsing flicker, this too may have been no problem or may have spoken to some internal calibrations or something ebing off, no idea, but as the extended warrenty I bought allows me to pretty much smash the camera to bits and get a new one for the next couple years and for the first 30 days do an over the counter exchange, if there is even a hint something is wrong, its best to check it out or exchange it There is a definite noticable difference in the flicker between the two

September 19th, 2004, 07:36 PM	#68
Kevin Triplett Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 47	Ah ha -- well if a comparison between two units reveals a difference between the flickers, I feel fortunately to have only a slight flickering. I'll try to check any other XL2 units I come across and report.

September 19th, 2004, 10:00 PM	#69
Paul Pelalas Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Jersey USA Posts: 41	Id love to see the fashion trade show footage, I shoot alot of those.

September 20th, 2004, 01:36 PM	#72
David Levine New Boot Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 20	<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : An LCD should not have a refresh rate. What I'm guessing y'all are seeing is the low framerate of 24p. Does it happen in 30p or 60i as well? When shooting in 24p the frame is probably just updated 24 times a second which you may notice. The picture updates has a too low of a refresh rate probably. Again, the LCD doesn't have one (it has a response time from full black to full white) -->>> Checked it in 60i 30p and 24p mode, was present in all

September 20th, 2004, 02:37 PM	#73
Evan Fisher Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca. Posts: 137	My guess is (and it is a guess) it is a power related issue. Possibly a way to lessen the amount of power that the LCD needs to use. I think the only way we'll ever know for sure though is if enough concerned members contact Canon directly. Honestly though, I did not see it at 4:3 60i or 30p. I saw a faint flicker at 24p which seems like I'm looking at 24fps so it didn't bother me. At 16:9 I could see the flicker in all frame rates, however, like I said in my previous post, I was so busy composing, exposing and following my subjects that while shooting, I didn't notice at all. __________________ Fisher Media Productions

September 21st, 2004, 11:04 PM	#74
Kevin Chao Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: United States Posts: 37	the flicker only occurs on 16:9... on 4:3, it is not existent... the only thing flickering is the black bars on top and bottom of the letterbox.... as for the footage... what compression should i use and where should i upload it to...

September 22nd, 2004, 08:41 AM	#75
John Wheeler Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 85	Kevin. Are you saying that the flicker is "burned" or recorded onto the tape? Or did you just record the VF with another camera? j.