XL2 owners

Greg Boston · September 15th, 2004, 03:46 PM

Yep, mine has it too. I don't even have to flip open the vf. I can see it in the normal lid closed position. Just like eveyone else, it's not really noticable when you view straight on, but if you look upward, it's visible but NOT THAT DISTRACTING, to me anyway.

I'm loving the hell out of this camera right now. It's staying!

regards,

-gb-

Kevin Chao · September 15th, 2004, 06:42 PM

it doesn't bother me... aaron do you even have and XL2??? this and the hiss on the sony are two complete different problems... this flickering thing is only cosmetic... it does not show on the recording... and it's only noticable when viewed at an extreme angle... you're comparing this to the Hiss problem??? wow...

Aaron Koolen · September 15th, 2004, 07:43 PM

Kevin, of course I don't think they're the same level of severity - I was drawing a long bow. But the logic still stands.

If you have noticed something about your camera that you don't like, and there are others that have it, does that make it acceptable - I don't think it follows at all that it does. That's what I was meaning.

Aaron

Barry Goyette · September 15th, 2004, 07:55 PM

But Aaron.... It seems like this thing is somewhat elusive in nature...I'm not sure you could really call it a defect if noone can see it until you tell them to stand on their heads, smoke a joint and then to cross their eyes while rotating the damn thing exactly 120 degrees forward....I mean who would look at a LCD at a 120 degree angle in the first place...you can't see anything but a Man Ray solarization of your image from there anyway.

I still can't see it...if the canon guys are saying this is a feature, not a defect...then dammit...my camera is defective...its lacking...impotent...I'm not sure I can go on.

Don't make me cuss anymore..please.

Barry

Aaron Koolen · September 15th, 2004, 09:29 PM

Haha Barry - Yeah you better send yours back in to get the feature added ;)

I wasn't making a big deal of it, so sorry if people though I was, I just don't like it when some service guy will go "Well the other cameras we tried does it." Cause that doesn't solve the fact that it's still there :)

Aaron

Greg Boston · September 15th, 2004, 10:13 PM

I've found something that bugs me more. I can see a faint reflection of the EVF info upside down and inverted when looking into it. Can easily see it with the lense cap on. However, I tend to remove the lense cap when shooting video so I guess I can live with it.

Does anyone else see this?

-gb-

Kevin Chao · September 16th, 2004, 11:38 AM

barry... that was the best...

Paul Pelalas · September 16th, 2004, 01:45 PM

Yo Kevin post some footage bro.

Jim Giberti · September 16th, 2004, 05:22 PM

This is sort if in the absurd line of "how does it compare to the DVX at +18 gain". Ah, what knucklehead would shoot anything of remote value at 18db or 12 db.....

Evan Fisher · September 17th, 2004, 11:18 AM

My XL2 arrived and it seems it is not out-of-the-box ready to use.
It definitely requires some set-up in the color dept.
Unfortunately I was only able to assemble it last night and shoot around the house in Low-ish light to start to play with it. In easy "green box" mode, the picture was quite noisy, especially in the browns to blacks.
I put it in manual, opened up wide and slowed the shutter (alot) and that certainly helped to clean up the picture.

You people who have had the camera for a few days now, what kinds of settings are you regularly tweaking?

Are you having to up the color gain?

In cine gamma, did you find it tends toward the reds a little heavily?

Aaron Shaw · September 17th, 2004, 12:22 PM

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In cine gamma, did you find it tends toward the reds a little heavily?

That would fit well with Canon's history with the XL1.

What would you estimate the lux levels were at when you shot footage? I don't think "Green box" mode is a great idea as I am sure it ups the gain a crapload more than you would want.

Evan Fisher · September 17th, 2004, 01:07 PM

Aaron,

I would be guessing (and probably get it way wrong) in guessing the lux level in my living room last night, so I won't. (I wish I could for my own knowledge-I need a little more experience in that dept.)

You are correct about "green box" easy mode. I think this was added purely for in-store demos or something. To shoot with no exposure control seems silly to me.

I can't wait to take it out this weekend and see how it fares under different lighting conditions.

I will also try to learn a little more about determining light levels.

Aaron Shaw · September 17th, 2004, 03:38 PM

Yeah I think you're probably right about green box mode being for in store demos etc. That and perhaps run and gun situations?

Let us know how your tests go! I'm interested in hearing some more results :)

Ken Tanaka · September 17th, 2004, 03:59 PM

"Green Box" (fully automatic "daddy-cam") mode has been on every Canon video camera I've owned (and that's quite a few!) as well as on many of their still cameras (which is where this feature derived). It has, indeed, seemed incongruous on XL bodies. But there are folks who buy these cameras for use in unattended or remote applications where its exposure settings cannot be directly controlled. Green box is just about the only way to get variable exposure in that setting.

Kevin Chao · September 18th, 2004, 12:16 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Paul Pelalas : Yo Kevin post some footage bro. -->>>

i got some footage from a fashion trade show that i was djing at last week but haven't imported it yet (30p, 4:3)...and when i was chllin in the hotel on the 11th floor, there was fireworks going off by the beach i was fortunate enough to capture (24p, 16:9)... i'll try and get that up but i have a project that needs to be done in two weeks so i'm pressin on that right now...

btw... what compression or if any, should i use for streaming or uploading... not so savvy in that department...

September 15th, 2004, 07:43 PM	#48
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Kevin, of course I don't think they're the same level of severity - I was drawing a long bow. But the logic still stands. If you have noticed something about your camera that you don't like, and there are others that have it, does that make it acceptable - I don't think it follows at all that it does. That's what I was meaning. Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

September 15th, 2004, 09:29 PM	#50
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Haha Barry - Yeah you better send yours back in to get the feature added ;) I wasn't making a big deal of it, so sorry if people though I was, I just don't like it when some service guy will go "Well the other cameras we tried does it." Cause that doesn't solve the fact that it's still there :) Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

September 17th, 2004, 11:18 AM	#55
Evan Fisher Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca. Posts: 137	My XL2 arrived and it seems it is not out-of-the-box ready to use. It definitely requires some set-up in the color dept. Unfortunately I was only able to assemble it last night and shoot around the house in Low-ish light to start to play with it. In easy "green box" mode, the picture was quite noisy, especially in the browns to blacks. I put it in manual, opened up wide and slowed the shutter (alot) and that certainly helped to clean up the picture. You people who have had the camera for a few days now, what kinds of settings are you regularly tweaking? Are you having to up the color gain? In cine gamma, did you find it tends toward the reds a little heavily? __________________ Fisher Media Productions

September 17th, 2004, 01:07 PM	#57
Evan Fisher Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca. Posts: 137	Aaron, I would be guessing (and probably get it way wrong) in guessing the lux level in my living room last night, so I won't. (I wish I could for my own knowledge-I need a little more experience in that dept.) You are correct about "green box" easy mode. I think this was added purely for in-store demos or something. To shoot with no exposure control seems silly to me. I can't wait to take it out this weekend and see how it fares under different lighting conditions. I will also try to learn a little more about determining light levels. __________________ Fisher Media Productions

September 17th, 2004, 03:59 PM	#59
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	"Green Box" (fully automatic "daddy-cam") mode has been on every Canon video camera I've owned (and that's quite a few!) as well as on many of their still cameras (which is where this feature derived). It has, indeed, seemed incongruous on XL bodies. But there are folks who buy these cameras for use in unattended or remote applications where its exposure settings cannot be directly controlled. Green box is just about the only way to get variable exposure in that setting. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

September 15th, 2004, 03:46 PM	#46
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	Yep, mine has it too. I don't even have to flip open the vf. I can see it in the normal lid closed position. Just like eveyone else, it's not really noticable when you view straight on, but if you look upward, it's visible but NOT THAT DISTRACTING, to me anyway. I'm loving the hell out of this camera right now. It's staying! regards, -gb-

September 15th, 2004, 06:42 PM	#47
Kevin Chao Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: United States Posts: 37	it doesn't bother me... aaron do you even have and XL2??? this and the hiss on the sony are two complete different problems... this flickering thing is only cosmetic... it does not show on the recording... and it's only noticable when viewed at an extreme angle... you're comparing this to the Hiss problem??? wow...

September 15th, 2004, 07:55 PM	#49
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	But Aaron.... It seems like this thing is somewhat elusive in nature...I'm not sure you could really call it a defect if noone can see it until you tell them to stand on their heads, smoke a joint and then to cross their eyes while rotating the damn thing exactly 120 degrees forward....I mean who would look at a LCD at a 120 degree angle in the first place...you can't see anything but a Man Ray solarization of your image from there anyway. I still can't see it...if the canon guys are saying this is a feature, not a defect...then dammit...my camera is defective...its lacking...impotent...I'm not sure I can go on. Don't make me cuss anymore..please. Barry

September 15th, 2004, 10:13 PM	#51
Greg Boston Wrangler Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DFW area, TX Posts: 6,117 Images: 1	I've found something that bugs me more. I can see a faint reflection of the EVF info upside down and inverted when looking into it. Can easily see it with the lense cap on. However, I tend to remove the lense cap when shooting video so I guess I can live with it. Does anyone else see this? -gb-

September 16th, 2004, 11:38 AM	#52
Kevin Chao Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: United States Posts: 37	barry... that was the best...

September 16th, 2004, 01:45 PM	#53
Paul Pelalas Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Jersey USA Posts: 41	Yo Kevin post some footage bro.

September 16th, 2004, 05:22 PM	#54
Jim Giberti Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bethel, VT Posts: 824	This is sort if in the absurd line of "how does it compare to the DVX at +18 gain". Ah, what knucklehead would shoot anything of remote value at 18db or 12 db.....

September 17th, 2004, 03:38 PM	#58
Aaron Shaw Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 587	Yeah I think you're probably right about green box mode being for in store demos etc. That and perhaps run and gun situations? Let us know how your tests go! I'm interested in hearing some more results :)

September 18th, 2004, 12:16 PM	#60
Kevin Chao Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: United States Posts: 37	<<<-- Originally posted by Paul Pelalas : Yo Kevin post some footage bro. -->>> i got some footage from a fashion trade show that i was djing at last week but haven't imported it yet (30p, 4:3)...and when i was chllin in the hotel on the 11th floor, there was fireworks going off by the beach i was fortunate enough to capture (24p, 16:9)... i'll try and get that up but i have a project that needs to be done in two weeks so i'm pressin on that right now... btw... what compression or if any, should i use for streaming or uploading... not so savvy in that department...