At least I posted one DV file.

Mark Grgurev · September 2nd, 2004, 03:00 PM

Awesome!!!!!!! Are you gonna post any progressive footage?

Aaron Koolen · September 2nd, 2004, 04:52 PM

Kaku, what format is that latest file in? (the dog one). It comes out as a .txt file, but if I change the extension to other formats like .wmv, .dv, .avi or .mov It still won't play

Aaron

Kaku Ito · September 2nd, 2004, 06:53 PM

Mark,

It's being upleaded now.

Aaron,

You first have to unzip it.

Aaron Koolen · September 2nd, 2004, 10:42 PM

Kaku, I did unzip the main file, but inside is just one file called 0001.txt - That is the file I'm referring too.

Aaron

Kaku Ito · September 3rd, 2004, 01:51 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Aaron Koolen : Kaku, I did unzip the main file, but inside is just one file called 0001.txt - That is the file I'm referring too.

Aaron -->>>

Aaron,

Sorry, evidently something must have happened while uploading. I posted the file again and am checking to download myself. I will let you know if this works okay.

Kaku Ito · September 3rd, 2004, 02:04 AM

Sorry, folks, it was a bad upload on the progressive footage file.

I checked downloading myself and the same link is now good to download.

Aaron Koolen · September 3rd, 2004, 02:36 AM

Thanks Kaku. Re-downloading now.

Cheers
Aaron

Barry Goyette · September 3rd, 2004, 10:56 AM

Thanks for posting the progressive clip kaku....even though the vertical detail was set at low, I am very impressed with the fine detail from the camera...when the camera finally focuses on the bicycle there is very tactile sense of all the parts...the crankset, wheels etc...very impressive. Can't wait. The depth of field seems very shallow to me...obviously the long lens is helping, but what was your f-stop, if you remember.

Barry

Kaku Ito · September 3rd, 2004, 08:54 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Goyette : Thanks for posting the progressive clip kaku....even though the vertical detail was set at low, I am very impressed with the fine detail from the camera...when the camera finally focuses on the bicycle there is very tactile sense of all the parts...the crankset, wheels etc...very impressive. Can't wait. The depth of field seems very shallow to me...obviously the long lens is helping, but what was your f-stop, if you remember.

Barry -->>>

Bary,

For progressive, canon recommends to set vertical detial low, so the close to horizantal lines of objects don't flicker (actually still flickers) when progressive footage played on interlaced monitor. There are some posts about flickering issue here in the forum but this issue seems to be common problem for watchin progressive footage on interlaced monitor, or it could be the problem when video is played back at 24p or 30p, us humans notice flickers but not at the rate of 60 frame (thus interlace gives the psuedo 60 frame by using 60 fields). So, for now, my conclusion is that anything moving fast in the frame faster than walking speed is not so ideal for progressive. I need more techniques of shooting films to utillize the progressive mode.

For f-stop, I was shooting at auto but I checked the tape with data code displayed and the bike portion is F8.0 and after panned with the dog on the grass area is F11, shutter speed 1/30 (I don't remember that I set it to 1/30, so the custom preset must have set it to 1/30 because it was in 30p mode).

Kaku Ito · September 6th, 2004, 12:59 AM

As Barry already owning XL2 and providing great footage, I'm going to open up my disk space for NV-GS400 again, so the XL2 clips are going to be erased. Thank you for watching.

Marty Hudzik · September 6th, 2004, 08:25 AM

Kaku,
I unfortunately didn't get to see your footage. But I am curious about what you think of the colors of the XL2. I have mine and haved played with it a little in the last 2 days. However I feel as though the colors are quite muted. I notice an incredible drop off of color if I go from F1.8 to F2.8 At 2.8 the reds and greens seem to just lose their pop.

I am coming from a DVX100. I experienced a similar dropoff in color rendition only when I would start hitting f5.6 and lower on that cam.

Just wondering.

Everybody seems to love their XL2's so I am wondering if I got a lemon.

Kaku Ito · September 6th, 2004, 08:54 AM

Marty,

When I shot the same thing with XL2 and Panasonic NV-GS400, what I noticed was the gradation of green seems to be better with NV-GS400. However, there was big difference in blurred image quality which made GS400 really bad. Although I should have turned off the OIS with GS400, you can tell the value of GS400. But XL2 has so much more control, no question about that.

I'm posting the clip on my blog. It might take another 30 minutes to complete the uploading.

Kaku Ito · September 6th, 2004, 09:03 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Goyette : Thanks for posting the progressive clip kaku....even though the vertical detail was set at low, I am very impressed with the fine detail from the camera...when the camera finally focuses on the bicycle there is very tactile sense of all the parts...the crankset, wheels etc...very impressive. Can't wait. The depth of field seems very shallow to me...obviously the long lens is helping, but what was your f-stop, if you remember.

Barry -->>>

Barry,

I saw your clips and bird, surf were so nice!!

By the way, I forgot to mention that the reason why Canon says in the manual to set the vertical detail low is to eliminate the flicker when progressive footage to be played back on interlaced monitor (which is the most case). It seems to be noway out about close to the horizantal line would be flickering in slow frame rate like 30 and 24.

September 2nd, 2004, 04:52 PM	#17
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Kaku, what format is that latest file in? (the dog one). It comes out as a .txt file, but if I change the extension to other formats like .wmv, .dv, .avi or .mov It still won't play Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

September 2nd, 2004, 10:42 PM	#19
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Kaku, I did unzip the main file, but inside is just one file called 0001.txt - That is the file I'm referring too. Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

September 3rd, 2004, 02:36 AM	#22
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Thanks Kaku. Re-downloading now. Cheers Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

September 2nd, 2004, 03:00 PM	#16
Mark Grgurev Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fairview,nj Posts: 137	Awesome!!!!!!! Are you gonna post any progressive footage?

September 2nd, 2004, 06:53 PM	#18
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Mark, It's being upleaded now. Aaron, You first have to unzip it.

September 3rd, 2004, 01:51 AM	#20
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	<<<-- Originally posted by Aaron Koolen : Kaku, I did unzip the main file, but inside is just one file called 0001.txt - That is the file I'm referring too. Aaron -->>> Aaron, Sorry, evidently something must have happened while uploading. I posted the file again and am checking to download myself. I will let you know if this works okay.

September 3rd, 2004, 02:04 AM	#21
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Sorry, folks, it was a bad upload on the progressive footage file. I checked downloading myself and the same link is now good to download.

September 3rd, 2004, 10:56 AM	#23
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	Thanks for posting the progressive clip kaku....even though the vertical detail was set at low, I am very impressed with the fine detail from the camera...when the camera finally focuses on the bicycle there is very tactile sense of all the parts...the crankset, wheels etc...very impressive. Can't wait. The depth of field seems very shallow to me...obviously the long lens is helping, but what was your f-stop, if you remember. Barry

September 3rd, 2004, 08:54 PM	#24
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Goyette : Thanks for posting the progressive clip kaku....even though the vertical detail was set at low, I am very impressed with the fine detail from the camera...when the camera finally focuses on the bicycle there is very tactile sense of all the parts...the crankset, wheels etc...very impressive. Can't wait. The depth of field seems very shallow to me...obviously the long lens is helping, but what was your f-stop, if you remember. Barry -->>> Bary, For progressive, canon recommends to set vertical detial low, so the close to horizantal lines of objects don't flicker (actually still flickers) when progressive footage played on interlaced monitor. There are some posts about flickering issue here in the forum but this issue seems to be common problem for watchin progressive footage on interlaced monitor, or it could be the problem when video is played back at 24p or 30p, us humans notice flickers but not at the rate of 60 frame (thus interlace gives the psuedo 60 frame by using 60 fields). So, for now, my conclusion is that anything moving fast in the frame faster than walking speed is not so ideal for progressive. I need more techniques of shooting films to utillize the progressive mode. For f-stop, I was shooting at auto but I checked the tape with data code displayed and the bike portion is F8.0 and after panned with the dog on the grass area is F11, shutter speed 1/30 (I don't remember that I set it to 1/30, so the custom preset must have set it to 1/30 because it was in 30p mode).

September 6th, 2004, 12:59 AM	#25
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	As Barry already owning XL2 and providing great footage, I'm going to open up my disk space for NV-GS400 again, so the XL2 clips are going to be erased. Thank you for watching.

September 6th, 2004, 08:25 AM	#26
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Kaku, I unfortunately didn't get to see your footage. But I am curious about what you think of the colors of the XL2. I have mine and haved played with it a little in the last 2 days. However I feel as though the colors are quite muted. I notice an incredible drop off of color if I go from F1.8 to F2.8 At 2.8 the reds and greens seem to just lose their pop. I am coming from a DVX100. I experienced a similar dropoff in color rendition only when I would start hitting f5.6 and lower on that cam. Just wondering. Everybody seems to love their XL2's so I am wondering if I got a lemon.

September 6th, 2004, 08:54 AM	#27
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Marty, When I shot the same thing with XL2 and Panasonic NV-GS400, what I noticed was the gradation of green seems to be better with NV-GS400. However, there was big difference in blurred image quality which made GS400 really bad. Although I should have turned off the OIS with GS400, you can tell the value of GS400. But XL2 has so much more control, no question about that. I'm posting the clip on my blog. It might take another 30 minutes to complete the uploading.

September 6th, 2004, 09:03 AM	#28
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	<<<-- Originally posted by Barry Goyette : Thanks for posting the progressive clip kaku....even though the vertical detail was set at low, I am very impressed with the fine detail from the camera...when the camera finally focuses on the bicycle there is very tactile sense of all the parts...the crankset, wheels etc...very impressive. Can't wait. The depth of field seems very shallow to me...obviously the long lens is helping, but what was your f-stop, if you remember. Barry -->>> Barry, I saw your clips and bird, surf were so nice!! By the way, I forgot to mention that the reason why Canon says in the manual to set the vertical detail low is to eliminate the flicker when progressive footage to be played back on interlaced monitor (which is the most case). It seems to be noway out about close to the horizantal line would be flickering in slow frame rate like 30 and 24.