What's the worst you can imagine?

Peter Moore · August 10th, 2004, 07:11 AM

I bet Jerry cost a lot.

Barry, thanks for the info on editing 35 - I didn't realize it was that easy. How much do the transfer to SD video and then recreation of the "decision list" on the final 35 mm negatives ultimately cost?

There's other factors too, right, like color grading? Can a feature on 35mm really be done for $50k including all of those things?

Finally, if anyone knows, is there any hardware out there for PCs that will capture HD-SDI from a tape deck and save it in a format editable by Vegas or any other PC editor?

K. Forman · August 10th, 2004, 08:01 AM

"You get it transferred to tape and edit it just like as if you'd shot on a DVX or XL2."

And how much is the cost of film, development, transfer, dailies, etc? The main reason DV is so popular, in my opinion, is that it is faster and cheaper than film.

It costs $5-$50 for a one hour tape, depending on type of cam. It is immediately ready to view. *Disclaimer- I believe I heard somewhere...* Film will cost around $1,100 for 1,000 ft, which is 15 minutes? This is including development and daily prints. They'll get it to you as fast as they can.

Sure, there is a big difference in quality, but that would mostly only be noticed on a film screen. Depends on final destination mostly, the rest is various production costs and budget, and he may have backers that expect a return.

This has been my view, and not the views or beliefs of DVinfo.net, or it's members... :)

Peter Moore · August 10th, 2004, 05:02 PM

Yeah on a DVD, film source or HD source should be virtually indistinguishable. In fact, even on a projector, 720p and 35mm are not terribly far apart. Look at Star Wars Ep. I - that was shot on 720p Varicams if I recall correctly. Ep. II was shot on 1080/24p Cinealtas and was virtually indistinguishable from 35mm.

Dylan Couper · August 10th, 2004, 10:01 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Peter Moore : I bet Jerry cost a lot.

-->>>

I heard he worked for free just so he could meet Superman...

Ken Tanaka · August 10th, 2004, 10:36 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Dylan Couper : I heard he worked for free just so he could meet Superman... -->>>

Huh! That's funny. I heard he worked gratis to meet Charles! <g>

Peter Moore · August 11th, 2004, 10:58 AM

"rick berman (the producer) has said in an interview (search theforce.net for ep1 news) that lucas did insert a HD shot into ep1"

Rick Berman produces Star Trek.

Sorry but that doesn't make the rest of what you said very credible. :)

Anyway, back to Nick's project - shooting on the Varicam or even Cinealta would be just as good as film, for your purposes I'm sure. And it should be well within your budget. Not sure what the fixation with DV is.

Ken Tanaka · August 11th, 2004, 12:17 PM

I've split the Star Wars discussion to this thread. Please continue that conversation there.

August 10th, 2004, 08:01 AM	#32
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	"You get it transferred to tape and edit it just like as if you'd shot on a DVX or XL2." And how much is the cost of film, development, transfer, dailies, etc? The main reason DV is so popular, in my opinion, is that it is faster and cheaper than film. It costs $5-$50 for a one hour tape, depending on type of cam. It is immediately ready to view. Disclaimer- I believe I heard somewhere... Film will cost around $1,100 for 1,000 ft, which is 15 minutes? This is including development and daily prints. They'll get it to you as fast as they can. Sure, there is a big difference in quality, but that would mostly only be noticed on a film screen. Depends on final destination mostly, the rest is various production costs and budget, and he may have backers that expect a return. This has been my view, and not the views or beliefs of DVinfo.net, or it's members... :) __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

August 10th, 2004, 10:01 PM	#34
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August 10th, 2004, 10:36 PM	#35
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August 11th, 2004, 12:17 PM	#37
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August 10th, 2004, 07:11 AM	#31
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	I bet Jerry cost a lot. Barry, thanks for the info on editing 35 - I didn't realize it was that easy. How much do the transfer to SD video and then recreation of the "decision list" on the final 35 mm negatives ultimately cost? There's other factors too, right, like color grading? Can a feature on 35mm really be done for $50k including all of those things? Finally, if anyone knows, is there any hardware out there for PCs that will capture HD-SDI from a tape deck and save it in a format editable by Vegas or any other PC editor?

August 10th, 2004, 05:02 PM	#33
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Yeah on a DVD, film source or HD source should be virtually indistinguishable. In fact, even on a projector, 720p and 35mm are not terribly far apart. Look at Star Wars Ep. I - that was shot on 720p Varicams if I recall correctly. Ep. II was shot on 1080/24p Cinealtas and was virtually indistinguishable from 35mm.

August 11th, 2004, 10:58 AM	#36
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	"rick berman (the producer) has said in an interview (search theforce.net for ep1 news) that lucas did insert a HD shot into ep1" Rick Berman produces Star Trek. Sorry but that doesn't make the rest of what you said very credible. :) Anyway, back to Nick's project - shooting on the Varicam or even Cinealta would be just as good as film, for your purposes I'm sure. And it should be well within your budget. Not sure what the fixation with DV is.