Has the dreaded black bar gone??? at DVinfo.net

Ron Stoole · July 31st, 2004, 02:58 PM

Remember that long thread that went on and on regarding the 3 pixel black bar that appears at the base of every XL1S image? Can anyone say whether Canon has seen fit to get rid of it on the XL2?

As a multimedia developer who shoots footage mostly for the computer and not for TV - that nearly drove me nuts!!!

Also...how's the image quality? I really don't want to hear that tired old excuse line about "Canon has a softer but warmer image" any longer. If the image quality isn't noticably improved (in terms of sharpness) then I will definitely be trading in my XL1s for another brand - especially at 5 grand!!

Ron

Aaron Koolen · July 31st, 2004, 06:34 PM

Ron, you should search for some XL2 screen grabs. There's quite a few floating around, and yes the bar has gone. It'd be surprising if it hadn't cause the XM2 (GL2) got rid of it years ago ;)

Aaron

Rob Lohman · August 3rd, 2004, 10:25 AM

I think it has Ron looking at some of those screengrabs.

Michael J Perry · August 7th, 2004, 02:14 PM

After working in TV for a few years Digital Tape VTR's, Camers etc will show black Hor. Bars when they need to be cleaned.

Rob Lohman · August 9th, 2004, 02:42 AM

This was a specific issue with the XL1(S) Michael where there
was a black border around the footage due to the way the
camera worked. This is/was ALWAYS there. It can be compared
to the TV safe zone, only then always black. People were
concerned with this for web/film output.

Robert Knecht Schmidt · August 9th, 2004, 07:04 AM

It was actually a black bar on the bottom of the frame with a few rows of gradiated blue-tinted pixels on top of the black bar, and a few columns of blue-tinted pixels on the left side of the frame as well.

Bill Ravens · August 9th, 2004, 07:20 AM

here we go again...;o)

Chris Hurd · August 9th, 2004, 07:51 AM

D.S.E. has captured some XL2 video to Vegas, so I guess I'll have to ask him to analyze those frames and confirm or deny its existence.

Aaron Koolen · August 9th, 2004, 03:01 PM

He has? Is the post anywhere here Chris, with hopefully links to the grabs and footage? Or at least a rundown from DSE's opinions.

Cheers
Aaron

Chris Hurd · August 9th, 2004, 04:13 PM

He posted about it briefly in this thread, unfortunately he is currently "down under" in the middle of a VASST tour in Oz.

July 31st, 2004, 02:58 PM	#1
Ron Stoole Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lancaster, PA Posts: 27	Has the dreaded black bar gone??? Remember that long thread that went on and on regarding the 3 pixel black bar that appears at the base of every XL1S image? Can anyone say whether Canon has seen fit to get rid of it on the XL2? As a multimedia developer who shoots footage mostly for the computer and not for TV - that nearly drove me nuts!!! Also...how's the image quality? I really don't want to hear that tired old excuse line about "Canon has a softer but warmer image" any longer. If the image quality isn't noticably improved (in terms of sharpness) then I will definitely be trading in my XL1s for another brand - especially at 5 grand!! Ron

July 31st, 2004, 06:34 PM	#2
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Ron, you should search for some XL2 screen grabs. There's quite a few floating around, and yes the bar has gone. It'd be surprising if it hadn't cause the XM2 (GL2) got rid of it years ago ;) Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

August 3rd, 2004, 10:25 AM	#3
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I think it has Ron looking at some of those screengrabs. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 7th, 2004, 02:14 PM	#4
Michael J Perry Tourist Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Laurel Mississippi Posts: 2	Black Bars After working in TV for a few years Digital Tape VTR's, Camers etc will show black Hor. Bars when they need to be cleaned. __________________ Michael J Perry Freelance Videographer 202 Opal Dr. Laurel, Ms. 39440 6014986530

August 9th, 2004, 02:42 AM	#5
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	This was a specific issue with the XL1(S) Michael where there was a black border around the footage due to the way the camera worked. This is/was ALWAYS there. It can be compared to the TV safe zone, only then always black. People were concerned with this for web/film output. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 9th, 2004, 07:04 AM	#6
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	It was actually a black bar on the bottom of the frame with a few rows of gradiated blue-tinted pixels on top of the black bar, and a few columns of blue-tinted pixels on the left side of the frame as well. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 9th, 2004, 07:20 AM	#7
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	here we go again...;o)

August 9th, 2004, 07:51 AM	#8
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	D.S.E. has captured some XL2 video to Vegas, so I guess I'll have to ask him to analyze those frames and confirm or deny its existence. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

August 9th, 2004, 03:01 PM	#9
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	He has? Is the post anywhere here Chris, with hopefully links to the grabs and footage? Or at least a rundown from DSE's opinions. Cheers Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

August 9th, 2004, 04:13 PM	#10
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	He posted about it briefly in this thread, unfortunately he is currently "down under" in the middle of a VASST tour in Oz. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!