Charles Papert: P+S Technik with XL2 at DVinfo.net

Chris Hurd · July 13th, 2004, 09:43 AM

Chas,

This info is not on my XL2 Watchdog site yet, and won't be until I get a break from DV Expo, but I wanted to let you know that the indications are good that the P+S Mini35 will work with the XL2. There may be a slight modification required to the base plate (I think about 4mm needs to be shaved off or so). I'm sure P+S will rev a version for the XL2 directly. Hope this helps, sorry this isn't on the site,

*EDIT* Read through this thread -- one must add 4mm, not subtract, from the base plate. My error.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · July 13th, 2004, 10:24 AM

It will work. I was using one at Pinewood Studios this morning.
Very impressive...

Robin.

Jim Giberti · July 13th, 2004, 11:00 AM

<<It will work. I was using one at Pinewood Studios this morning.
Very impressive...>>

Great news Robin...of course that was the biggest concern for mini35 owners, and the first question I was going to post. So there are already fully functional XL2s beyond the floor of DVExpo? Were you able to test any footage? How did the res look at 16:9 using the P&S. And are yous aying there wouldn't be any modification necessary to clear the new shoulder mount as Chris suggested?

This makes investing in one of the first mini35s that much more rewarding for the long haul. A higher res chip set with native 16:9 and 24p should make the P&S that much of a "film" making tool.

Thanks

Robin Davies-Rollinson · July 13th, 2004, 11:21 AM

Jim,
I didn't get to shoot any footage unfortunately, - the camera was set up with the P+S unit by Optex London, so they have obviously tooled up for it. The test material that I saw on a monitor looked pretty impressive in 16:9 mode. I was trying to see any lack of definition in the wide shots, especially on trees etc, and I could have been looking at Digibeta - (well, almost, but certainly much, much better than anything I've seen on DV recently...)

Robin.

Simon Beer · July 13th, 2004, 12:18 PM

Hi Robin,

I was operating on all the non-steadicam shots at Pinewood today and yesterday.

The Mini35 shots were great but not on your Gold in 60 Seconds DVD as they didn't match.

We had to build a 4mm spacer to get it to work, but work it does. We shot with a set of ultraprimes from Arri GB, I'll get some more shots this week and we'll put a DVD together in house.

Cheers!

Simon.

Holly Miller · July 13th, 2004, 12:29 PM

Great news! We've been setting back a bit of our budget to get a few of these units because of the releasing XL2 with higher resolution native 16:9, 24p. The Mini35 adapter just became a lot more appealing.

What exactly is the change that needed to be made?

Rob Lohman · July 13th, 2004, 12:32 PM

Holly: Simon said in the post above yours:

" We had to build a 4mm spacer to get it to work "

Jim Giberti · July 13th, 2004, 12:36 PM

<<We had to build a 4mm spacer to get it to work, but work it does. >>

Hi Simon, can I assume that the 4mm spacer is a shim, or did you have to remove 4mm from the XL2 for clearance on the mini35.

Simon Beer · July 13th, 2004, 12:45 PM

Hi Jim,

Its a 4mm aly shim. Gaffer tape looked a bit raw.

What is worth mentioning is the new TA100, a short VCT14 type plate that holds the camera rock solid. We had 2x XL2 rigged on Sachtler 18's with and without this plate, the difference was surprising.

Cheers!

Simon.

Robin Davies-Rollinson · July 13th, 2004, 01:18 PM

Hi Simon!
Small world!!
Really good launch today (and lunch...)

Robin.

Simon Beer · July 13th, 2004, 01:22 PM

The Lamb curry is worth a mention.

Cheers!

Simon.

Jim Giberti · July 13th, 2004, 03:49 PM

<<Really good launch today (and lunch...).....The Lamb curry is worth a mention.....Cheers!>>

You guys are so darn British...I wish I could sound even remotely continental <g>. Simon, is the new TA100 a Canon piece?

Charles Papert · July 13th, 2004, 04:16 PM

Thanks Chris, much obliged.

My Mini35 arrived today from ZGC. I start shooting with it this weekend, on a DVX100. Can't wait to be able to work the XL2.

Simon and Robin, congrats on getting your hands on the thing, and thanks for posting the positive comments on the picture.

Simon Beer · July 14th, 2004, 12:42 AM

Hi Jim,

The TA100 is an optional extra. I happen to have one on my desk at work, I'll post some photos of it later.

Cheers!

Simon.

Chris Hurd · July 14th, 2004, 12:46 AM

Thanks for setting me straight, I had that 4mm backwards!

July 13th, 2004, 09:43 AM	#1
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Charles Papert: P+S Technik with XL2 Chas, This info is not on my XL2 Watchdog site yet, and won't be until I get a break from DV Expo, but I wanted to let you know that the indications are good that the P+S Mini35 will work with the XL2. There may be a slight modification required to the base plate (I think about 4mm needs to be shaved off or so). I'm sure P+S will rev a version for the XL2 directly. Hope this helps, sorry this isn't on the site, EDIT Read through this thread -- one must add 4mm, not subtract, from the base plate. My error. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

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July 13th, 2004, 04:16 PM	#13
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Thanks Chris, much obliged. My Mini35 arrived today from ZGC. I start shooting with it this weekend, on a DVX100. Can't wait to be able to work the XL2. Simon and Robin, congrats on getting your hands on the thing, and thanks for posting the positive comments on the picture. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

July 14th, 2004, 12:46 AM	#15
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Thanks for setting me straight, I had that 4mm backwards! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 13th, 2004, 10:24 AM	#2
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	It will work. I was using one at Pinewood Studios this morning. Very impressive... Robin.

July 13th, 2004, 11:00 AM	#3
Jim Giberti Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bethel, VT Posts: 824	<<It will work. I was using one at Pinewood Studios this morning. Very impressive...>> Great news Robin...of course that was the biggest concern for mini35 owners, and the first question I was going to post. So there are already fully functional XL2s beyond the floor of DVExpo? Were you able to test any footage? How did the res look at 16:9 using the P&S. And are yous aying there wouldn't be any modification necessary to clear the new shoulder mount as Chris suggested? This makes investing in one of the first mini35s that much more rewarding for the long haul. A higher res chip set with native 16:9 and 24p should make the P&S that much of a "film" making tool. Thanks

July 13th, 2004, 11:21 AM	#4
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Jim, I didn't get to shoot any footage unfortunately, - the camera was set up with the P+S unit by Optex London, so they have obviously tooled up for it. The test material that I saw on a monitor looked pretty impressive in 16:9 mode. I was trying to see any lack of definition in the wide shots, especially on trees etc, and I could have been looking at Digibeta - (well, almost, but certainly much, much better than anything I've seen on DV recently...) Robin.

July 13th, 2004, 12:18 PM	#5
Simon Beer Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 48	Hi Robin, I was operating on all the non-steadicam shots at Pinewood today and yesterday. The Mini35 shots were great but not on your Gold in 60 Seconds DVD as they didn't match. We had to build a 4mm spacer to get it to work, but work it does. We shot with a set of ultraprimes from Arri GB, I'll get some more shots this week and we'll put a DVD together in house. Cheers! Simon.

July 13th, 2004, 12:29 PM	#6
Holly Miller Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 56	Great news! We've been setting back a bit of our budget to get a few of these units because of the releasing XL2 with higher resolution native 16:9, 24p. The Mini35 adapter just became a lot more appealing. What exactly is the change that needed to be made?

July 13th, 2004, 12:36 PM	#8
Jim Giberti Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bethel, VT Posts: 824	<<We had to build a 4mm spacer to get it to work, but work it does. >> Hi Simon, can I assume that the 4mm spacer is a shim, or did you have to remove 4mm from the XL2 for clearance on the mini35.

July 13th, 2004, 12:45 PM	#9
Simon Beer Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 48	Hi Jim, Its a 4mm aly shim. Gaffer tape looked a bit raw. What is worth mentioning is the new TA100, a short VCT14 type plate that holds the camera rock solid. We had 2x XL2 rigged on Sachtler 18's with and without this plate, the difference was surprising. Cheers! Simon.

July 13th, 2004, 01:18 PM	#10
Robin Davies-Rollinson Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gwaelod-y-garth, Cardiff, CYMRU/WALES Posts: 1,215	Hi Simon! Small world!! Really good launch today (and lunch...) Robin.

July 13th, 2004, 01:22 PM	#11
Simon Beer Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 48	The Lamb curry is worth a mention. Cheers! Simon.

July 13th, 2004, 03:49 PM	#12
Jim Giberti Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bethel, VT Posts: 824	<<Really good launch today (and lunch...).....The Lamb curry is worth a mention.....Cheers!>> You guys are so darn British...I wish I could sound even remotely continental <g>. Simon, is the new TA100 a Canon piece?

July 14th, 2004, 12:42 AM	#14
Simon Beer Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 48	Hi Jim, The TA100 is an optional extra. I happen to have one on my desk at work, I'll post some photos of it later. Cheers! Simon.