Charles Papert: P+S Technik with XL2

Charles Papert · July 14th, 2004, 04:32 AM

Mmmm yes...adding 4mm good, shaving off 4mm bad.

Simon Beer · July 14th, 2004, 08:49 AM

Photo's of the TA100 and the mounting plate under the XL2.

http://www.xl1s.com/xl2pics/IMG_2511.jpg
http://www.xl1s.com/xl2pics/IMG_2513.jpg

Cheers!

Simon.

James Emory · July 14th, 2004, 09:17 AM

Simon is the TA-100 a Canon product? If not where can it be bought? I've been needing that thing for a looooong time!

Simon Beer · July 14th, 2004, 09:28 AM

Hi James,

The TA100 is a Canon product. It will only fit the XL2 as it secures by four screws.

Cheers!

Simon.

Charles Papert · July 14th, 2004, 11:09 AM

And it holds well, you say. I'm a bit surprised. I always assumed you needed the other end of that design (the protruding nubbie at the back) to make a really secure tiedown. But this is fully compatible with existing VCT plates, yeah?

James Emory · July 15th, 2004, 07:05 AM

I looked on B&H's site and couldn't find the TA-100. Do you know who sells it and how much it goes for? Thanks.

David Ziegelheim · July 25th, 2004, 12:00 PM

Do you have a picture of the complete setup: Mini35, rods, camera, plate, and tripod?

Charles Papert · July 25th, 2004, 12:05 PM

At ZGC.com, you will find pictures of the Mini35 and XL1 in functional mode, but not necessarily with all of the bits attached you mentioned. The pictures that accompany my article on the Seinfeld web films might be more like what you are looking for.

David Ziegelheim · July 25th, 2004, 12:53 PM

Yes, although that is one heck of a rig in those pictures!!!

Given that rig, does the TA100 figure in? It looks like you have an XLR adapter between the rods and the camera. With the XL2 you would you need some sort of spacer for the pieces to line up correctly?

Last question: compared to pictures I have seen with the XL1/DVX, Mini35, and some primes, that seemed to be a very big rig. Given the size, complexity, and expense, would a Pro35 with 2/3" camera have been justified?

Charles Papert · July 26th, 2004, 11:41 AM

David:

The Mini35 has its own rods built in. You do not need, nor can you use the TA100 or anything other than the camera body on its underside, because the Mini35 is built to screw directly into the camera. The word in this thread is that a small spacer is required for the XL2, but this will not be a hardship to accomodate.

The size of that rig varied from picture to picture. The images of the zoom and the 300mm make the whole thing look big, but if you look further through those pictures to the Cooke S4's, the rig shouldn't look a whole lot bigger than others you might have seen. The beauty of the Mini35 is that you can use any cine lens on it, some are just bigger to get the job done!

As far as the PRO35 and a 2/3" camera, we would have seen a likely 4x increase in the rental costs between those two items. Believe it or not, this job was tightly budgeted and the use of DV was mandated by the production (for some reason!) We certainly stretched it with the lens package, but having the right optics is very important. However, size was never a concern, and complexity wasn't an issue (if you mean all the bits and pieces onboard, that's what we are used to using on film cameras, so it was business as usual).

July 14th, 2004, 04:32 AM	#16
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Mmmm yes...adding 4mm good, shaving off 4mm bad. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

July 14th, 2004, 09:17 AM	#18
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	TA-100 Simon is the TA-100 a Canon product? If not where can it be bought? I've been needing that thing for a looooong time!

July 14th, 2004, 11:09 AM	#20
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	And it holds well, you say. I'm a bit surprised. I always assumed you needed the other end of that design (the protruding nubbie at the back) to make a really secure tiedown. But this is fully compatible with existing VCT plates, yeah? __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

July 15th, 2004, 07:05 AM	#21
James Emory Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,892	Where to buy the TA-100 I looked on B&H's site and couldn't find the TA-100. Do you know who sells it and how much it goes for? Thanks.

July 25th, 2004, 12:05 PM	#23
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	At ZGC.com, you will find pictures of the Mini35 and XL1 in functional mode, but not necessarily with all of the bits attached you mentioned. The pictures that accompany my article on the Seinfeld web films might be more like what you are looking for. __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

July 14th, 2004, 08:49 AM	#17
Simon Beer Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 48	Photo's of the TA100 and the mounting plate under the XL2. http://www.xl1s.com/xl2pics/IMG_2511.jpg http://www.xl1s.com/xl2pics/IMG_2513.jpg Cheers! Simon.

July 14th, 2004, 09:28 AM	#19
Simon Beer Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 48	Hi James, The TA100 is a Canon product. It will only fit the XL2 as it secures by four screws. Cheers! Simon.

July 25th, 2004, 12:00 PM	#22
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	Do you have a picture of the complete setup: Mini35, rods, camera, plate, and tripod?

July 25th, 2004, 12:53 PM	#24
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	Yes, although that is one heck of a rig in those pictures!!! Given that rig, does the TA100 figure in? It looks like you have an XLR adapter between the rods and the camera. With the XL2 you would you need some sort of spacer for the pieces to line up correctly? Last question: compared to pictures I have seen with the XL1/DVX, Mini35, and some primes, that seemed to be a very big rig. Given the size, complexity, and expense, would a Pro35 with 2/3" camera have been justified?

July 26th, 2004, 11:41 AM	#25
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	David: The Mini35 has its own rods built in. You do not need, nor can you use the TA100 or anything other than the camera body on its underside, because the Mini35 is built to screw directly into the camera. The word in this thread is that a small spacer is required for the XL2, but this will not be a hardship to accomodate. The size of that rig varied from picture to picture. The images of the zoom and the 300mm make the whole thing look big, but if you look further through those pictures to the Cooke S4's, the rig shouldn't look a whole lot bigger than others you might have seen. The beauty of the Mini35 is that you can use any cine lens on it, some are just bigger to get the job done! As far as the PRO35 and a 2/3" camera, we would have seen a likely 4x increase in the rental costs between those two items. Believe it or not, this job was tightly budgeted and the use of DV was mandated by the production (for some reason!) We certainly stretched it with the lens package, but having the right optics is very important. However, size was never a concern, and complexity wasn't an issue (if you mean all the bits and pieces onboard, that's what we are used to using on film cameras, so it was business as usual). __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com