PAL version announced in Europe ! at DVinfo.net

Steven-Marc Couchouron · July 13th, 2004, 05:59 AM

3x 1/3" 800.000 pixel CCDs and 50i & 25p frame rate

http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Home...PageID=26346#1

Looking good !

Rob Lohman · July 13th, 2004, 06:05 AM

Thank you for this notice Steven. I will put this up in the specs
list which can be found:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=28853

Glenn Gipson · July 13th, 2004, 08:26 AM

wow, 800,000 pixels from 1/3" progressive 3CCDs, that's pretty mean. This will probably be the King of Prosumer SD cameras.

Chris Hurd · July 13th, 2004, 08:53 AM

Thanks for the info, Steven-Marc. I agree, Glenn, those are impressive CCD specs.

Of course you guys are aware that the PAL version will have frame rates of 50i and 25p (there is no 24p mode on the PAL version in case any of you curious Americans were wondering).

Simon Beer · July 13th, 2004, 09:50 AM

Hi All,

I have just returned from a 2 day shoot at Pinewood Studios where we shot a promo for Canon UK completely on PAL XL2's, this was shown at the press launch here in the UK today.

I will post the video on www.xl2.co.uk once I have it for all to see.

Enjoy!

Simon.

Steven-Marc Couchouron · July 13th, 2004, 09:56 AM

Simon, do you have info on pricing and availability of the PAL version ?

Chris Hurd · July 13th, 2004, 09:58 AM

Thanks Simon -- good to hear from you again -- by the way I need to contact you by email. Keep an eye out for it please.

Simon Beer · July 13th, 2004, 10:21 AM

Hi Chris, Hi Steven,

Availability is expected around September.

If you want to get "hands on and dirty" we have a unit at our offices in New Barnet.

Cheers!

Simon.

Ed Smith · July 13th, 2004, 11:40 AM

Hi simon,

What company do you work for? Is it Optex UK? Just wondering since you don't mention it.

Why do they not have 24P on the PAL XL12? surely you would still need this for Film work etc?

Cheers,

Rob Lohman · July 13th, 2004, 11:49 AM

PAL film is 25 fps if I'm not mistaken Ed.

Steven-Marc Couchouron · July 13th, 2004, 11:55 AM

Err... PAL film doesn't exist, Rob ! ;-)

Film is sometimes shot at 25 fps in Europe when the distribution is going to be limited to television.

Rob Lohman · July 13th, 2004, 12:04 PM

Well that's what I meant. Not to say PAL film exists in deed. I
think I've heard multiple times that film in PAL is shot at 25 fps
instead of 24. Perhaps to ease transition to a TV indeed.

Sorry for the confusion!

Simon Beer · July 13th, 2004, 12:11 PM

Hi Ed,

Yes I do work for OpTex and would like to point out on a personal level I am also an XL1 owner.

Having the opportunity to shoot with the XL2 the last two days was brilliant.

We shot 25p 16:9 and the quality is stunning. We also had the XL2 rigged to the Mini35 and had a set of ultraprimes at our disposal, at the current time the Mini35 won't fit as standard and our machine shop had to knock up a spacer plate.

The Canon UK promo video was only shot with XL2 + 20x +3x lenses. We also used the brand new Steadicam Flyer for some great shots.

The real thing for me about the new XL2 is the viewfinder and the quality. The footage didn't look dv'ish (can't explain - you'll have to see for yourself), the viewfinder is simply massive when compared to the XL1.

Canon are going in the right direction with more switches (16:9 / 25p / bars) rescued from the menu, the switches don't work once you're recording so you can also save on gaffer tape! In my opinion a real plus - I hate menus.

Cheers!

Simon.

Rob Lohman · July 13th, 2004, 12:16 PM

Funny you should mention that, Simon. I was looking over the
pictures and was wondering why they didn't make the aspect
and framerate selection knobs sunken like the others. I'm glad
it won't matter what you do to them when recording. However
I assume they change the setting as soon as you stop recording.
Would've liked them sunken though. Strange they should
change such a winning knob design!

Do you happen to have a chance to see if it can do straight
analog to digital conversion without recording on tape first?

Greg Matty · July 13th, 2004, 12:20 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Simon Beer : Hi Chris, Hi Steven,

Availability is expected around September.

If you want to get "hands on and dirty" we have a unit at our offices in New Barnet.

Cheers!

Simon. -->>>

Simon,

Have you tried setting the white balance manually? My XL-1 always ended with very cool/blue images when doing so. I needed an assortment of colored gels to get it close. Hopefully this new camera is spot on.

Greg

July 13th, 2004, 06:05 AM	#2
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July 13th, 2004, 09:50 AM	#5
Simon Beer Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 48	XL2 PAL @ Pinewood Hi All, I have just returned from a 2 day shoot at Pinewood Studios where we shot a promo for Canon UK completely on PAL XL2's, this was shown at the press launch here in the UK today. I will post the video on www.xl2.co.uk once I have it for all to see. Enjoy! Simon.

July 13th, 2004, 09:56 AM	#6
Steven-Marc Couchouron Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 110 Images: 5	Simon, do you have info on pricing and availability of the PAL version ? __________________ SMCproductions.com

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Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Thanks Simon -- good to hear from you again -- by the way I need to contact you by email. Keep an eye out for it please. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 13th, 2004, 05:59 AM	#1
Steven-Marc Couchouron Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 110 Images: 5	PAL version announced in Europe ! 3x 1/3" 800.000 pixel CCDs and 50i & 25p frame rate http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Home...PageID=26346#1 Looking good ! __________________ SMCproductions.com

July 13th, 2004, 08:26 AM	#3
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	wow, 800,000 pixels from 1/3" progressive 3CCDs, that's pretty mean. This will probably be the King of Prosumer SD cameras.

July 13th, 2004, 10:21 AM	#8
Simon Beer Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 48	Hi Chris, Hi Steven, Availability is expected around September. If you want to get "hands on and dirty" we have a unit at our offices in New Barnet. Cheers! Simon.

July 13th, 2004, 11:40 AM	#9
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	Hi simon, What company do you work for? Is it Optex UK? Just wondering since you don't mention it. Why do they not have 24P on the PAL XL12? surely you would still need this for Film work etc? Cheers, __________________ Ed Smith Hampshire, UK Good things come to those who wait My Skiing web www.Frostytour.co.uk For quick answers Search dvinfo.net \| The best in the business: dvinfo.net Sponsors

July 13th, 2004, 11:49 AM	#10
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	PAL film is 25 fps if I'm not mistaken Ed. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 13th, 2004, 11:55 AM	#11
Steven-Marc Couchouron Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 110 Images: 5	Err... PAL film doesn't exist, Rob ! ;-) Film is sometimes shot at 25 fps in Europe when the distribution is going to be limited to television. __________________ SMCproductions.com

July 13th, 2004, 12:04 PM	#12
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Well that's what I meant. Not to say PAL film exists in deed. I think I've heard multiple times that film in PAL is shot at 25 fps instead of 24. Perhaps to ease transition to a TV indeed. Sorry for the confusion! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 13th, 2004, 12:11 PM	#13
Simon Beer Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 48	Hi Ed, Yes I do work for OpTex and would like to point out on a personal level I am also an XL1 owner. Having the opportunity to shoot with the XL2 the last two days was brilliant. We shot 25p 16:9 and the quality is stunning. We also had the XL2 rigged to the Mini35 and had a set of ultraprimes at our disposal, at the current time the Mini35 won't fit as standard and our machine shop had to knock up a spacer plate. The Canon UK promo video was only shot with XL2 + 20x +3x lenses. We also used the brand new Steadicam Flyer for some great shots. The real thing for me about the new XL2 is the viewfinder and the quality. The footage didn't look dv'ish (can't explain - you'll have to see for yourself), the viewfinder is simply massive when compared to the XL1. Canon are going in the right direction with more switches (16:9 / 25p / bars) rescued from the menu, the switches don't work once you're recording so you can also save on gaffer tape! In my opinion a real plus - I hate menus. Cheers! Simon.

July 13th, 2004, 12:16 PM	#14
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Funny you should mention that, Simon. I was looking over the pictures and was wondering why they didn't make the aspect and framerate selection knobs sunken like the others. I'm glad it won't matter what you do to them when recording. However I assume they change the setting as soon as you stop recording. Would've liked them sunken though. Strange they should change such a winning knob design! Do you happen to have a chance to see if it can do straight analog to digital conversion without recording on tape first? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 13th, 2004, 12:20 PM	#15
Greg Matty Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 177	<<<-- Originally posted by Simon Beer : Hi Chris, Hi Steven, Availability is expected around September. If you want to get "hands on and dirty" we have a unit at our offices in New Barnet. Cheers! Simon. -->>> Simon, Have you tried setting the white balance manually? My XL-1 always ended with very cool/blue images when doing so. I needed an assortment of colored gels to get it close. Hopefully this new camera is spot on. Greg