Taping a Hockey game tonight...

Guy Godwin · February 26th, 2008, 06:55 PM

WOW...that takes a long time to download. I will see if I can compress them later tonight.

Robert Bobson · January 3rd, 2010, 12:27 PM

I shot at a hockey rink today - and at any shutter speed faster than 1/30th, the whole scene color cycled from orange to blue and back - every 2 seconds or so.

I'm thinking the arena lights somehow were "pulsing" on and off at 60 hz - and my camera was drifting from out of cycle to in cycle - enough that I was catching the lights on the up or down part of their phase - and so the color varied?

I was able to get good fottage at 1/30 - although some of the close-ups were motion blurred.

anyone have any other work around so I can use a faster shutter speed?

Chris Soucy · January 3rd, 2010, 03:57 PM

You are correct.

Unfortunately, unless you fancy replacing all those lights, you're stuck with 1/30th, I'm afraid.

CS

Robert Dilts · April 18th, 2010, 10:37 AM

Hi, sorry to come in on this late, but I do have some examples of 30 vs 60 filming only hockey, and from a vantage point close to where you are shooting.

There are about 20 examples I can show you at a site done for a season at:
FREEZE SQUIRT WHITE

Enter and go to the video section.

The trouble with shooting 60 for me is that my editing slows down dramatically - so I had to shoot quite a bit in 30 - and you can see a difference. Rinks are of course tricky because of the lighting, even close to the action with reflective lighting from the ice surface, rinks are notoriously dim. Increasing your shutter to 150 is probably the very best way to go when shooting 60 - although this will force you to open up to f2.8 or even lower to get a decent exposure - and then you are facing a major CA problem which is evident in some of the hockey videos on the site. I had to bring the shutter down to max of 1/100 just to maintain contrast. The XL2s sweet spot is between 4 and 5.6 - so a high shutter speed is difficult to pull off and I'm afraid I have often had to bring my shutter to 1/60 to find a balance - which led to blurring.

Specific examples of what you are looking for:
First vid up against the Bears - 60 with a shutter of 1/100 / fstop 2.8 - on a perch above the surface
Fifth video against the Eagles, same vantage point - 30 with a shutter of /60 / fstop 4
Second Prudential Center vid was a 100 feet away - 60 with a shuttter of 100 / fstop 4 with + 12db gain
Sweet spot was the Parents vs Kids game, right behind the glass - 60 / 100 / fstop 4 with no gain
The worst example is a game against the Hurricanes in which I shot 30 with a 1/60 shutter and fstop of 4

Blurred action is no doubt 30 on the vids were it is most evident, usually with a shutter of 1/60.
There are plenty of examples on the site and I have the settings for each game if you need to know them. Hope any of these vids can help and good luck.

Rob

January 3rd, 2010, 12:27 PM	#17
Robert Bobson Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bay City, Michigan Posts: 585	arena light color cycling I shot at a hockey rink today - and at any shutter speed faster than 1/30th, the whole scene color cycled from orange to blue and back - every 2 seconds or so. I'm thinking the arena lights somehow were "pulsing" on and off at 60 hz - and my camera was drifting from out of cycle to in cycle - enough that I was catching the lights on the up or down part of their phase - and so the color varied? I was able to get good fottage at 1/30 - although some of the close-ups were motion blurred. anyone have any other work around so I can use a faster shutter speed?

January 3rd, 2010, 03:57 PM	#18
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,691 Images: 18	Hi Robert........... You are correct. Unfortunately, unless you fancy replacing all those lights, you're stuck with 1/30th, I'm afraid. CS

April 18th, 2010, 10:37 AM	#19
Robert Dilts Tourist Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Hackettstown, NJ Posts: 1	30 vs 60 filming hockey Hi, sorry to come in on this late, but I do have some examples of 30 vs 60 filming only hockey, and from a vantage point close to where you are shooting. There are about 20 examples I can show you at a site done for a season at: FREEZE SQUIRT WHITE Enter and go to the video section. The trouble with shooting 60 for me is that my editing slows down dramatically - so I had to shoot quite a bit in 30 - and you can see a difference. Rinks are of course tricky because of the lighting, even close to the action with reflective lighting from the ice surface, rinks are notoriously dim. Increasing your shutter to 150 is probably the very best way to go when shooting 60 - although this will force you to open up to f2.8 or even lower to get a decent exposure - and then you are facing a major CA problem which is evident in some of the hockey videos on the site. I had to bring the shutter down to max of 1/100 just to maintain contrast. The XL2s sweet spot is between 4 and 5.6 - so a high shutter speed is difficult to pull off and I'm afraid I have often had to bring my shutter to 1/60 to find a balance - which led to blurring. Specific examples of what you are looking for: First vid up against the Bears - 60 with a shutter of 1/100 / fstop 2.8 - on a perch above the surface Fifth video against the Eagles, same vantage point - 30 with a shutter of /60 / fstop 4 Second Prudential Center vid was a 100 feet away - 60 with a shuttter of 100 / fstop 4 with + 12db gain Sweet spot was the Parents vs Kids game, right behind the glass - 60 / 100 / fstop 4 with no gain The worst example is a game against the Hurricanes in which I shot 30 with a 1/60 shutter and fstop of 4 Blurred action is no doubt 30 on the vids were it is most evident, usually with a shutter of 1/60. There are plenty of examples on the site and I have the settings for each game if you need to know them. Hope any of these vids can help and good luck. Rob

February 26th, 2008, 06:55 PM	#16
Guy Godwin Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Florence, KY Posts: 345	WOW...that takes a long time to download. I will see if I can compress them later tonight.