Jumpy Pan Shots w/XL2 at DVinfo.net

Steve Jakubowski · August 19th, 2007, 08:26 PM

I am just getting my feet wet using this camera but the effect I am getting seems a bit extreme. I was hoping someone could take a quick look and give me some input. I shot at 30p setting and I am trying to do walk throughs of properties for out of town clients but was expecting better results. Is this operator error or ?

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Richard Alvarez · August 19th, 2007, 08:33 PM

Looks like a combination of bad compression and movements that are TOO fast.

Don't know what you compressed it with, but you might try changing your settings. And the pans/camera movements are fast and jerky... and kind of nauseating. Think SLOW and SMOOTH as you move through the rooms, let the eyes linger. You want people to feel welcome, not like they are part of a home invasion or police intrusion.

Just my thoughts.

Chris Soucy · August 19th, 2007, 08:54 PM

As Richard says, but you may want to revert to good 'ol 60i with the amount of movement involved. And invest in a SteadyCam or similar. You're gonna have clients chundering into their corn flakes.

CS

Steve Jakubowski · August 19th, 2007, 09:30 PM

Thanks for the feedback so far. I am using Adobe Premier Elements 3, compressing to Flash 8, 500k (no audio) On2 VP6. I thought 60i was more for broadcast applications but I'll try it, again I am just getting into this stuff so please be gentle with me. Loved the corn flakes comment. Hey I'd love to get one of those steady cam things but my wife thinks I'm nuts already for shelling out for an XL2.

Bill Hamell · August 20th, 2007, 02:45 AM

Sounds like you had the Image Stabilization on, turn it off and try again.

Bill

Steve Jakubowski · August 20th, 2007, 09:08 AM

No image stabilization, i was using the 3x lens.

Bill Hamell · August 20th, 2007, 01:52 PM

What shutter speed were you using?
To fast will cause the images to be jumpy.

BTW; did you ever live in Connecticut? Asking because I knew a Steve Jakubowski in high school.

Bill

Steve Jakubowski · August 20th, 2007, 02:20 PM

Well I'm a litte embarassed to admit it but I was in auto "A" because I figured the light would be changing as I moved from one room to the other, I was sort of in a hurry and I only had one opportunity to do this, oh yeah and I'm kind of green too. Any suggestions on shutter speed for next time in a similar situation?

BTW, Never been to Connecticut so it wasn't me but thanks for asking.

Bill Hamell · August 20th, 2007, 03:09 PM

For 30P, start with 1/30th or 1/60th remember this is film/video not still photography you want some motion blur. That said sometimes you have to use higher shutter speeds but use them only when you need to not to adjust the exposure. To adjust exposure, use ND and the aperture settings as well as light control.

Bill

Steve Jakubowski · August 20th, 2007, 03:49 PM

Thanks for the advice, I'm going to try that on my next attempt and repost the results just in case it could benefit anyone else.

What a great site, thanks a bunch for the input.

Scott Delish · August 21st, 2007, 10:14 AM

Turn off the OIS while using a tripod.

Bill Hamell · August 21st, 2007, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Delish

Turn off the OIS while using a tripod.

Read above he is using the 3x lens so no OIS

Chris Soucy · August 22nd, 2007, 01:15 AM

Sorry about the "Corn Flake" crack, it was apt, if not exactly PC. I do hope you can get this sorted, as it's something I've thought of but not done yet.

But it does beg the question: "Why 30p"? I have no idea how this is going out to "the masses", you didn't say. Why pick 30p?

Again, appologies if it wasn't in order.

CS

Steve Jakubowski · August 22nd, 2007, 01:48 AM

Hey Chris, I chose 30P because I read that it was the better choice for the web which is where it will be displayed. Why do you think 60I would be better for this application?

You say you have thought of doing this, I asume you are talking about the real estate walk through. I am only doing it special requests and for out of town buyers until I figure this out with a little help from y'all. Its too much of a hastle otherwise, for me anyway. I am not trying to win any awards with this but I know I can get better results.

No prob with the corn flakes. I came into this forum expecting a few shots from you guys since I am just learning this stuff. I liked the comment from about the video looking like a home invasion, now every time I watch the clip I think about that. Maybe I'll submit it to "cops" for a demo reel.

Chris Soucy · August 22nd, 2007, 03:06 AM

I guess I had the idea for this 20 years ago, but wasn't in a position to do a da*m thing about it, and the technology just wasn't there.

The "home invasion" quip was, actually, spot on.

The 30p Vs 60i thing? Well, I shoot 50i exclusively (Pal people, ya' know!). Tried 25f and found it seriously wanting, hell, if I want it to jump, I'll make it jump. It ain't allowed to do it all on it's own!

I guess when they (eventually) get around to 50P, then I'll consider "P" as an alternative, but in the interim, if it's gotta move, it's gotta be I , cos P/ F just can't cut it (in my book).

CS

August 19th, 2007, 08:26 PM	#1
Steve Jakubowski New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 16	Jumpy Pan Shots w/XL2 I am just getting my feet wet using this camera but the effect I am getting seems a bit extreme. I was hoping someone could take a quick look and give me some input. I shot at 30p setting and I am trying to do walk throughs of properties for out of town clients but was expecting better results. Is this operator error or ? http://www.reil.tv Last edited by Steve Jakubowski; August 19th, 2007 at 08:28 PM. Reason: didnt make sense

August 19th, 2007, 08:54 PM	#3
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,689 Images: 18	Hi Steve........... As Richard says, but you may want to revert to good 'ol 60i with the amount of movement involved. And invest in a SteadyCam or similar. You're gonna have clients chundering into their corn flakes. CS

August 20th, 2007, 02:45 AM	#5
Bill Hamell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mystic Ct. Posts: 477	Sounds like you had the Image Stabilization on, turn it off and try again. Bill __________________ Cinematographers Bring Shadow To Light

August 20th, 2007, 01:52 PM	#7
Bill Hamell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mystic Ct. Posts: 477	What shutter speed were you using? To fast will cause the images to be jumpy. BTW; did you ever live in Connecticut? Asking because I knew a Steve Jakubowski in high school. Bill __________________ Cinematographers Bring Shadow To Light

August 20th, 2007, 03:09 PM	#9
Bill Hamell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Mystic Ct. Posts: 477	For 30P, start with 1/30th or 1/60th remember this is film/video not still photography you want some motion blur. That said sometimes you have to use higher shutter speeds but use them only when you need to not to adjust the exposure. To adjust exposure, use ND and the aperture settings as well as light control. Bill __________________ Cinematographers Bring Shadow To Light

August 19th, 2007, 08:33 PM	#2
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Looks like a combination of bad compression and movements that are TOO fast. Don't know what you compressed it with, but you might try changing your settings. And the pans/camera movements are fast and jerky... and kind of nauseating. Think SLOW and SMOOTH as you move through the rooms, let the eyes linger. You want people to feel welcome, not like they are part of a home invasion or police intrusion. Just my thoughts.

August 19th, 2007, 09:30 PM	#4
Steve Jakubowski New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 16	Thanks for the feedback so far. I am using Adobe Premier Elements 3, compressing to Flash 8, 500k (no audio) On2 VP6. I thought 60i was more for broadcast applications but I'll try it, again I am just getting into this stuff so please be gentle with me. Loved the corn flakes comment. Hey I'd love to get one of those steady cam things but my wife thinks I'm nuts already for shelling out for an XL2.

August 20th, 2007, 09:08 AM	#6
Steve Jakubowski New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 16	No image stabilization, i was using the 3x lens.

August 20th, 2007, 02:20 PM	#8
Steve Jakubowski New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 16	Well I'm a litte embarassed to admit it but I was in auto "A" because I figured the light would be changing as I moved from one room to the other, I was sort of in a hurry and I only had one opportunity to do this, oh yeah and I'm kind of green too. Any suggestions on shutter speed for next time in a similar situation? BTW, Never been to Connecticut so it wasn't me but thanks for asking.

August 20th, 2007, 03:49 PM	#10
Steve Jakubowski New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 16	Thanks for the advice, I'm going to try that on my next attempt and repost the results just in case it could benefit anyone else. What a great site, thanks a bunch for the input.

August 21st, 2007, 10:14 AM	#11
Scott Delish Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Trenton, NE Posts: 93	Turn off the OIS while using a tripod.

August 22nd, 2007, 01:15 AM	#13
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,689 Images: 18	Hey Steve........... Sorry about the "Corn Flake" crack, it was apt, if not exactly PC. I do hope you can get this sorted, as it's something I've thought of but not done yet. But it does beg the question: "Why 30p"? I have no idea how this is going out to "the masses", you didn't say. Why pick 30p? Again, appologies if it wasn't in order. CS

August 22nd, 2007, 01:48 AM	#14
Steve Jakubowski New Boot Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 16	Hey Chris, I chose 30P because I read that it was the better choice for the web which is where it will be displayed. Why do you think 60I would be better for this application? You say you have thought of doing this, I asume you are talking about the real estate walk through. I am only doing it special requests and for out of town buyers until I figure this out with a little help from y'all. Its too much of a hastle otherwise, for me anyway. I am not trying to win any awards with this but I know I can get better results. No prob with the corn flakes. I came into this forum expecting a few shots from you guys since I am just learning this stuff. I liked the comment from about the video looking like a home invasion, now every time I watch the clip I think about that. Maybe I'll submit it to "cops" for a demo reel.

August 22nd, 2007, 03:06 AM	#15
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,689 Images: 18	Yeah, well.......... I guess I had the idea for this 20 years ago, but wasn't in a position to do a da*m thing about it, and the technology just wasn't there. The "home invasion" quip was, actually, spot on. The 30p Vs 60i thing? Well, I shoot 50i exclusively (Pal people, ya' know!). Tried 25f and found it seriously wanting, hell, if I want it to jump, I'll make it jump. It ain't allowed to do it all on it's own! I guess when they (eventually) get around to 50P, then I'll consider "P" as an alternative, but in the interim, if it's gotta move, it's gotta be I , cos P/ F just can't cut it (in my book). CS