Matte Box for XH-A1

Vincent Rozenberg · September 28th, 2007, 02:17 PM

http://www.vocas.com/links/dvfitchart_xha1g1-link.htm

Bill Pryor · September 28th, 2007, 02:21 PM

That Vocas stuff is pretty slick, but it appears they sell in every industrialized nation in the world but the U.S. Makes me feel like a third world country. Any idea on prices?

Toenis Liivamaegi · September 28th, 2007, 04:09 PM

I`m really confused if one can use a mattebox at all with 109mm diametre original Canon WA converter on XH A1?
4x4 (100mm) filters will not cut it I assume?
The Vocas 250 is the widest and most WA usable compact 1+1 stage mattebox out there but the rear opening is only 105mm by the specs so it will not be usable with the uber good original WA converter from Canon.

Any thoughts?
T

E.J. Sadler · September 28th, 2007, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Pryor

That Vocas stuff is pretty slick, but it appears they sell in every industrialized nation in the world but the U.S. Makes me feel like a third world country. Any idea on prices?

Vocas matteboxes are distributed through Century Precision Optics in the US.

You can see the part numbers here

B&H has most of them

Trevor Bray · September 29th, 2007, 12:29 AM

Hi Bill
Not yet. As soon as I stared to use my wonderful A1 I realised I needed more computer grunt. I had to use all my funds to upgrade my ageing G5 imac. (New 2.8 imac on the way).
Hopefully first quarter 08.
Still going to be the GEARDEAR.

Trev

Bill Pryor · September 29th, 2007, 09:40 AM

I've been fine without one but there are situations where it might be nice. So far Geardear seems the overall best deal for the money.

One concern is my quick release plate. I use the Canon quick release plate (which cost about $135) because the camera has a typical still camera tripod thread, ie., 1/4" instead of the normal 3/8". And when I use a teleprompter, which requires the O'Connor 50 and it has only 3/8". The plate has both, so that's cool. But I'd have to put it on top of the rod holder platform, and then the tripod's plate on the bottom, if that makes sense. I don't know what that extra height would do to matte box alignment. I'd have the same problem with any matte box, obviously, that required rails, which is pretty much any mattebox that I'd want.

Alvise Tedesco · September 30th, 2007, 06:16 PM

Bill,
I used to use Geardear mattebox with rails on my M2+DVX combo.
I ordered a 72-77 step-up ring to use it w/o rails on my new XH-A1. I'll tell you how it performs

Bill Pryor · November 18th, 2007, 02:21 PM

Alvise, did you get the stepup ring yet? And if so, are you using the Geardear without rails, and do you use the French flag with it? How do you like it?

Kellen Dengler · December 11th, 2007, 04:56 PM

Hi everyone, long time reader first time poster...

I've been shopping matte boxes pretty extensively for my A1. I was set for the longest time on a geardear due to value and what all you can get. I was disappointed to find out they were molded from some sort of foam injection type process though so I began looking elsewhere....

I think I'm going with the redrockMicroMatte. They are finally being released in limited quantities but should be full force by Feb08 according to their forums. These look (and judging by redrock's rep) are made to be very top quality and offer everything that geardear does for even cheaper it appears. Full set up for $500. Then I think you have to add the rail support about $290. Still a shade cheaper then the deluxe A1 set up quote I received from geardear...($870ish I believe)

Does anyone have a MicroMatte they are using with their A1? I'd love to get some feedback cause I'm pretty sure I'm set on that one, or at least until I hear some really positive feedback about the geardear...

Petri Kaipiainen · December 12th, 2007, 02:48 AM

Chrosziel matte box fits Canon XH-A1/G1 with Canon 0.8x WA attachment with 1 mm to spare.

They have a XH-A1/G1 kit, with WA you just do not use the normal fill-in adapter, if you want to fill the 0.5mm gap this leaves (110 opening, 109mm lens) they sell you a rubber seal...

Kellen Dengler · December 12th, 2007, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petri Kaipiainen

Chrosziel matte box fits Canon XH-A1/G1 with Canon 0.8x WA attachment with 1 mm to spare.

They have a XH-A1/G1 kit, with WA you just do not use the normal fill-in adapter, if you want to fill the 0.5mm gap this leaves (110 opening, 109mm lens) they sell you a rubber seal...

Are you referring to the WD-H72 Wide Angle Adapter? I was under the impression that this WA adapter was not compatible with ANY matte box kit...

Petri Kaipiainen · December 13th, 2007, 06:17 AM

It is the one Canon sell with the camera (at a price).

Kellen Dengler · December 13th, 2007, 10:13 AM

Yeah that's the WD-H72. So then you can still use 4x4 filters in front of that WA adapter? And since it's made specific for the XHA1 it won't block the sensors in front?

That's very cool if it will allow the use of the WA and a filter.

Trent Humphrey · December 13th, 2007, 11:29 AM

I am selling my soft mattbox I used before I sold my xha1. I have the step ring to put it on the xha1 if you are intrested in buying it. Let me know. Here is the site if you want to check it out first. http://www.cinetactics.com/StoreFront.bok

Kellen Dengler · December 13th, 2007, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David W. Jones

There are probably at least half a dozen matte Boxes that will work with the XH-A1.
I am using an inexpensive Cavision 4 x 4 bellows unit with mine.

David,

Were you referring to this one:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Matte_Box.html

It is for a 72mm lens so that would fit the XHA1 but it is not specific to the XHA1 in the description just the XL2/DVX100. I'm wondering if the baseplate piece is adjustable height wise so that it could fit the A1...

September 29th, 2007, 12:29 AM	#20
Trevor Bray New Boot Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Guildford UK Posts: 18	Geardear Matte Box Hi Bill Not yet. As soon as I stared to use my wonderful A1 I realised I needed more computer grunt. I had to use all my funds to upgrade my ageing G5 imac. (New 2.8 imac on the way). Hopefully first quarter 08. Still going to be the GEARDEAR. Trev

September 28th, 2007, 02:17 PM	#16
Vincent Rozenberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 475	http://www.vocas.com/links/dvfitchart_xha1g1-link.htm

September 28th, 2007, 02:21 PM	#17
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	That Vocas stuff is pretty slick, but it appears they sell in every industrialized nation in the world but the U.S. Makes me feel like a third world country. Any idea on prices?

September 28th, 2007, 04:09 PM	#18
Toenis Liivamaegi Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tartu, Estonia Posts: 579	I`m really confused if one can use a mattebox at all with 109mm diametre original Canon WA converter on XH A1? 4x4 (100mm) filters will not cut it I assume? The Vocas 250 is the widest and most WA usable compact 1+1 stage mattebox out there but the rear opening is only 105mm by the specs so it will not be usable with the uber good original WA converter from Canon. Any thoughts? T

September 29th, 2007, 09:40 AM	#21
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	I've been fine without one but there are situations where it might be nice. So far Geardear seems the overall best deal for the money. One concern is my quick release plate. I use the Canon quick release plate (which cost about $135) because the camera has a typical still camera tripod thread, ie., 1/4" instead of the normal 3/8". And when I use a teleprompter, which requires the O'Connor 50 and it has only 3/8". The plate has both, so that's cool. But I'd have to put it on top of the rod holder platform, and then the tripod's plate on the bottom, if that makes sense. I don't know what that extra height would do to matte box alignment. I'd have the same problem with any matte box, obviously, that required rails, which is pretty much any mattebox that I'd want.

September 30th, 2007, 06:16 PM	#22
Alvise Tedesco Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Milan/Italy Posts: 63	Bill, I used to use Geardear mattebox with rails on my M2+DVX combo. I ordered a 72-77 step-up ring to use it w/o rails on my new XH-A1. I'll tell you how it performs

November 18th, 2007, 02:21 PM	#23
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	Alvise, did you get the stepup ring yet? And if so, are you using the Geardear without rails, and do you use the French flag with it? How do you like it?

December 11th, 2007, 04:56 PM	#24
Kellen Dengler Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 118	Hi everyone, long time reader first time poster... I've been shopping matte boxes pretty extensively for my A1. I was set for the longest time on a geardear due to value and what all you can get. I was disappointed to find out they were molded from some sort of foam injection type process though so I began looking elsewhere.... I think I'm going with the redrockMicroMatte. They are finally being released in limited quantities but should be full force by Feb08 according to their forums. These look (and judging by redrock's rep) are made to be very top quality and offer everything that geardear does for even cheaper it appears. Full set up for $500. Then I think you have to add the rail support about $290. Still a shade cheaper then the deluxe A1 set up quote I received from geardear...($870ish I believe) Does anyone have a MicroMatte they are using with their A1? I'd love to get some feedback cause I'm pretty sure I'm set on that one, or at least until I hear some really positive feedback about the geardear...

December 12th, 2007, 02:48 AM	#25
Petri Kaipiainen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Espoo Finland Posts: 380	Chrosziel matte box fits Canon XH-A1/G1 with Canon 0.8x WA attachment with 1 mm to spare. They have a XH-A1/G1 kit, with WA you just do not use the normal fill-in adapter, if you want to fill the 0.5mm gap this leaves (110 opening, 109mm lens) they sell you a rubber seal...

December 13th, 2007, 06:17 AM	#27
Petri Kaipiainen Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Espoo Finland Posts: 380	It is the one Canon sell with the camera (at a price).

December 13th, 2007, 10:13 AM	#28
Kellen Dengler Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 118	Yeah that's the WD-H72. So then you can still use 4x4 filters in front of that WA adapter? And since it's made specific for the XHA1 it won't block the sensors in front? That's very cool if it will allow the use of the WA and a filter.

December 13th, 2007, 11:29 AM	#29
Trent Humphrey Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 41	I am selling my soft mattbox I used before I sold my xha1. I have the step ring to put it on the xha1 if you are intrested in buying it. Let me know. Here is the site if you want to check it out first. http://www.cinetactics.com/StoreFront.bok