Canon 24f motion

[Alain Mayo]

Is it just me or videos from the Panasonic HVX200 camera seem more film like than the videos from the Canon H1 and A1? I see more sttuter on the canon images. Note that I'm not an expert or I have not conducted any kind of test, this is what I see or feel when I watch videos from both cameras. Also I own an XH-A1. I just want to know if this is true or just my imagination?
Thanks.

[Henry Cho]

several people, including hvx guru barry green (in his comparative review), have performed tests and found zero difference between the cadence of the hvx's 24p and the xha1's 24f. video from both cameras have their own unique color signatures, however -- i'm inclined to think that's what you're seeing.

[Bill Pryor]

There is no difference. The 24F footage from the Canon is 24 discrete frames per second, just like the DVX. What you may be seeing could also be the difference in who shot it. The only way to do a meaningful comparison is to put both cameras on the same tripod and pan with them together. If you pan faster with one than the other, you're going to see a difference in motion. Same with focal length--if you have a shallower depth of field in one than the other, things going by fast in the background will have more judder. So, both cameras on a tripod, zoomed in to the exact same image size, both at 1/48 shutter speed, etc. Then if you can see a difference...I'll change my comment.

[Alain Mayo]

Originally Posted by Bill Pryor

There is no difference. The 24F footage from the Canon is 24 discrete frames per second, just like the DVX. What you may be seeing could also be the difference in who shot it. The only way to do a meaningful comparison is to put both cameras on the same tripod and pan with them together. If you pan faster with one than the other, you're going to see a difference in motion. Same with focal length--if you have a shallower depth of field in one than the other, things going by fast in the background will have more judder. So, both cameras on a tripod, zoomed in to the exact same image size, both at 1/48 shutter speed, etc. Then if you can see a difference...I'll change my comment.

Is anyone in here willing to do a test on this? I know there is several people here that own both cameras.

[Blake Calhoun]

Test have been done several times:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=79138

Also, Steven Dempsey did one but I couldn't find it. Look under the Sample Clips section.

[Alain Mayo]

Originally Posted by Blake Calhoun

Test have been done several times:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=79138

Also, Steven Dempsey did one but I couldn't find it. Look under the Sample Clips section.

Yeah I have seen Steven's, but I still can notice the difference. I don't know maybe is the color space, It is just that there is that filmic look in the HVX that I cant see in the XH-A1. What it is I don't know but there is something.

One more thing Look at the Hvx200 videos from: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=54
and then look at the videos in the video clip forum of the XH-A1. Any differences?

[Alain Mayo]

BTW I'm not saying that the HVX200 is better than the XH-A1 or vice versa.

[Blake Calhoun]

What you might be seeing (and liking better) are the Film gamma curves (Cine settings) of the HVX. I shoot with both cameras and they both do a good job with their film-like motion. The HVX has a softer image IMHO, and some people think that looks more like film. It does not to me. 35mm and even Super 16 are very sharp these days.

You might try playing with more custom presets with the A1 too... CP#3 Average Film looks darn good (nice film-like gamma).

[Brett Cole]

I find 30f (shot at 1/60th) to be much more pleasing than the 24f )shot at 1/48th), and still considerably more film-like than shooting 60i