External mic holder not usable?

Winfried Dobbe · July 14th, 2007, 03:44 AM

Yes, I already ordered the SM5.

Cary Lee · July 14th, 2007, 03:46 AM

Hope it works out for you.

Steve Porchet · July 16th, 2007, 03:30 PM

Well I took the advise of a couple of people on here and got 2 J-Rods. They work great! Only problem is the hot shoes aren't exactly "tight" and tend to loosen and the mike falls forward. So I had to remove them and use lock tight and now they are fine. Another advantage is with the extra shoe (I purchased the double J-Rod) now you can have a mic, audio, and light all on the camera.

Tom Hickman · July 16th, 2007, 08:15 PM

I just used the same mic I had on my Sony PD 150 and it works fine but there is a piece of rubber around the mic right where the mount clamps down on the mic, maybe you could get an old inner tube from a tire or just buy a new one and cut it up and make a ruber boot for your mic to go between the mic and the holder that should work as a good shock mount and stop the sound transportation from the camera to the mic.

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Originally Posted by Winfried Dobbe

I recently got my XH-A1. I attached the Rode NTG-2 that I already had. Since the NTG-2 was too slim, I put some foam tape inside the mic holder. Now the mic is attached firmly, but during recording it picks up every touch on the camera and you can hear even the zoom motor.

I know you can buy the Rode SM3 shock mount, but then the shoe is not available anymore for a camera light.

Does anyone have good experience with the external mic holder and a shotgun mic?

Thanks in advance,

Winfried

Winfried Dobbe · July 17th, 2007, 06:17 AM

Well, the SM5 costs only 39 euro, so didn't take me long to decide. However it's going to take a few weeks before it arrives, so I might try a few of those tricks in the mean time.

Thanks.

Emiel Labree · July 17th, 2007, 01:51 PM

I'm using a AT897 and it's not picking up the zoom motor, but most definitely the sound of the tape that is recording. And also handling noises. I guess a shockmount wouldn't solve the microphone picking up the recording noises.

Don Palomaki · July 18th, 2007, 04:31 AM

Depends on how the noise is coupled to the mic. If through sound waives in air, the shock mount will not help much, but if mechanically through the body and mount it will help more.

Robert Petersen · July 18th, 2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Emiel Labree

I'm using a AT897 and it's not picking up the zoom motor, but most definitely the sound of the tape that is recording. And also handling noises. I guess a shockmount wouldn't solve the microphone picking up the recording noises.

Question for my own information: Is the "tape noise" the sound of the motor (or motors) that run the tape and the recording drum?

Winfried Dobbe · July 18th, 2007, 02:50 PM

I'm pretty sure the noise that was recorded reaches the external mic via the camera body, not via air waves. Otherwise the built-in mic should also record it to some extent (which is not the case) and touching the camera is hardly audible with my own ears.

Emiel Labree · July 19th, 2007, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Petersen

Question for my own information: Is the "tape noise" the sound of the motor (or motors) that run the tape and the recording drum?

Yes, that is correct. There is an earlier post in this forum where more owners of the A1 address this issue with the camera. I also own a FX1 and that one is pretty quiet. A German review mentions the recording noise as a negative point for the camera.

Emiel Labree · July 19th, 2007, 05:20 AM

I noticed something peculiar. When playing a .M2T file in Windows Media Player 11 there's a high pitched sound. But when the same file is played in Vegas 7.0c there is only normal noise. The high tones are gone.

L. Kirk Kauder · July 19th, 2007, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Porchet

Well I took the advise of a couple of people on here and got 2 J-Rods. They work great! Only problem is the hot shoes aren't exactly "tight" and tend to loosen and the mike falls forward. So I had to remove them and use lock tight and now they are fine. Another advantage is with the extra shoe (I purchased the double J-Rod) now you can have a mic, audio, and light all on the camera.

I have one myself and it really isolates camera vibrations/sounds from the mic. Never had the loose hot shoe problem luckily. It really does come in handy... so it lives on my camera.

Jeff Rhode · July 19th, 2007, 02:17 PM

Thanks for the kind words about The J-Rod guys ! I am glad it is working so well for you.
I reached out to Steve and I think that is an isolated incident with the loose shoe. I will always offer to fix or replace any problems though !

July 14th, 2007, 03:46 AM	#17
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July 16th, 2007, 03:30 PM	#18
Steve Porchet Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Jonesboro, Arkansas Posts: 28	J-rod works great! Well I took the advise of a couple of people on here and got 2 J-Rods. They work great! Only problem is the hot shoes aren't exactly "tight" and tend to loosen and the mike falls forward. So I had to remove them and use lock tight and now they are fine. Another advantage is with the extra shoe (I purchased the double J-Rod) now you can have a mic, audio, and light all on the camera.

July 18th, 2007, 04:31 AM	#22
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,489	Depends on how the noise is coupled to the mic. If through sound waives in air, the shock mount will not help much, but if mechanically through the body and mount it will help more. __________________ dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com

July 14th, 2007, 03:44 AM	#16
Winfried Dobbe Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amersfoort, Netherlands Posts: 85	Yes, I already ordered the SM5.

July 17th, 2007, 06:17 AM	#20
Winfried Dobbe Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amersfoort, Netherlands Posts: 85	Well, the SM5 costs only 39 euro, so didn't take me long to decide. However it's going to take a few weeks before it arrives, so I might try a few of those tricks in the mean time. Thanks.

July 17th, 2007, 01:51 PM	#21
Emiel Labree Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 25	I'm using a AT897 and it's not picking up the zoom motor, but most definitely the sound of the tape that is recording. And also handling noises. I guess a shockmount wouldn't solve the microphone picking up the recording noises.

July 18th, 2007, 02:50 PM	#24
Winfried Dobbe Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amersfoort, Netherlands Posts: 85	I'm pretty sure the noise that was recorded reaches the external mic via the camera body, not via air waves. Otherwise the built-in mic should also record it to some extent (which is not the case) and touching the camera is hardly audible with my own ears.

July 19th, 2007, 05:20 AM	#26
Emiel Labree Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 25	I noticed something peculiar. When playing a .M2T file in Windows Media Player 11 there's a high pitched sound. But when the same file is played in Vegas 7.0c there is only normal noise. The high tones are gone.

July 19th, 2007, 02:17 PM	#28
Jeff Rhode Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 169	Thanks for the kind words about The J-Rod guys ! I am glad it is working so well for you. I reached out to Steve and I think that is an isolated incident with the loose shoe. I will always offer to fix or replace any problems though !