XHA1 'LIVE' analog outs are 1080x1920 or 1080x1440? at DVinfo.net

Lonnie Bell · June 8th, 2007, 08:58 AM

Hello All,

(CLARIFICATION - LIVE ANALOG OUTS...)

Searching these threads has confirmed that the live analog out signal from the A1 is:
8bit, uncompressed, 4:2:2

BUT

I can't find anything conclusive about the resolution...

so, what's the scoop, is the live ananlog out 1080x1920 or 1080x1440?
(i'm guessing 1080x1920 because i think the 1440 is only after it reaches the HDV codec...)

Thanks,
Lonnie

Chris Hurd · June 8th, 2007, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonnie Bell

live analog out signal

Are you referring to the component video HD output?

Dave Stern · June 8th, 2007, 08:45 PM

Hello Lonnie - there's a good chart of all of the outputs for both the a1 and g1 on page 97 of the manual - you can download the manual from the sticky posts to check it out.. component out is 1440x1080 (sorry)... looks like the only way to get 1920 out is on the SDI terminal of the G1 (in fact, I think the chips are only 1440 and to get to 1920 they do some type of shift...you'd have to check..if this is info is too uncertain to be posted Chris just let me know and I'll edit to remove).

Lonnie Bell · June 8th, 2007, 09:41 PM

yes, Chris, the component HD outs...

Lonnie Bell · June 9th, 2007, 09:52 AM

Dave,
the page you suggested is intended for playback not recording live, and rumor has it that the component analog outs are out before they are hdv encoded thus not converted to a 1440x1080, but remain 1920x1080...

but i'm trying to confirm this...

Dave Stern · June 10th, 2007, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonnie Bell

Dave,
the page you suggested is intended for playback not recording live, and rumor has it that the component analog outs are out before they are hdv encoded thus not converted to a 1440x1080, but remain 1920x1080...

but i'm trying to confirm this...

thanks, good info - pls. post back if you find out. yeah, when you said that about the outputs, that sounds right (e..g not sure why they would need or want to take those post-encoder). that would be great to know if the A1 can put out 1920..also, did you see anything on the native chips being 1440 and then somehow that is upconverted to 1920? just curious - it might not really matter (in my use anyway), but would be good to know...

Lonnie Bell · June 10th, 2007, 11:13 AM

come on guys...

i've read the threads, only speculation - anyone know??

Jack Jenkins · June 10th, 2007, 06:12 PM

Hey Lonnie, I havent tried this yet, but why not just go LIVE out to an HD tv and see what it looks like. I think I read somewhere that it does 1920 x 1080 out. You will certainly know if its 1440, it'll be squished.

Lonnie Bell · June 10th, 2007, 07:12 PM

I don't own one yet, Jack! Great idea though. I'm going to buy either the A1 or the G1, and then use the IO HD/ProRes field record workflow...

But if I can save some money and go out 1080x1920 in Analog (A1) - why not?

Kevin Amundson · June 10th, 2007, 07:50 PM

I hooked up my A1 to my Dell 24" LCD(1920x1200) via component out and here is my take.

With the monitor set at 1:1 scale the video seems to be 1920x1080 but it looks like I'm getting an underscaned image because it doesn't fill the screen horizontally. There is about an inch missing on the left and right side.

One weird thing I encountered when I had the Center Marker and Aspect Ratio Guides on was that the monitor didn't show the Aspect Ratio Guides, it only showed the Center Marker. Why is this?

Jack Jenkins · June 11th, 2007, 12:30 AM

kevin, did you use the composite port in back or the BNC port on side?

Lonnie Bell · June 11th, 2007, 05:39 AM

Kevin - thanks for doing this...

Besides your suggestion of an underscanned image - going the other way could it be an overscan of a 1080x1440 image??

This is not my area here - come on in boys - the waters fine... HELP us non-engineers...

Khoi Pham · June 11th, 2007, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Amundson

I hooked up my A1 to my Dell 24" LCD(1920x1200) via component out and here is my take.

With the monitor set at 1:1 scale the video seems to be 1920x1080 but it looks like I'm getting an underscaned image because it doesn't fill the screen horizontally. There is about an inch missing on the left and right side.

One weird thing I encountered when I had the Center Marker and Aspect Ratio Guides on was that the monitor didn't show the Aspect Ratio Guides, it only showed the Center Marker. Why is this?

Not here, I'm using the component out into my Dell 2405 set at 1:1 scale and it is 1920X1080 with no black on left or right side.

Jack Jenkins · June 11th, 2007, 09:10 AM

Khoi, are you using the back component port or the side bnc port?

Khoi Pham · June 11th, 2007, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Jenkins

Khoi, are you using the back component port or the side bnc port?

I'm using component, BNC does not output HD.

June 8th, 2007, 08:58 AM	#1
Lonnie Bell Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV United States Posts: 361	XHA1 'LIVE' analog outs are 1080x1920 or 1080x1440? Hello All, (CLARIFICATION - LIVE ANALOG OUTS...) Searching these threads has confirmed that the live analog out signal from the A1 is: 8bit, uncompressed, 4:2:2 BUT I can't find anything conclusive about the resolution... so, what's the scoop, is the live ananlog out 1080x1920 or 1080x1440? (i'm guessing 1080x1920 because i think the 1440 is only after it reaches the HDV codec...) Thanks, Lonnie __________________ Lonnie Bell mamas boy productions Las Vegas, NV

June 8th, 2007, 08:45 PM	#3
Dave Stern Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern New Jersey Posts: 391	Hello Lonnie - there's a good chart of all of the outputs for both the a1 and g1 on page 97 of the manual - you can download the manual from the sticky posts to check it out.. component out is 1440x1080 (sorry)... looks like the only way to get 1920 out is on the SDI terminal of the G1 (in fact, I think the chips are only 1440 and to get to 1920 they do some type of shift...you'd have to check..if this is info is too uncertain to be posted Chris just let me know and I'll edit to remove). Last edited by Dave Stern; June 8th, 2007 at 08:48 PM. Reason: added parens info at end of post

June 8th, 2007, 09:41 PM	#4
Lonnie Bell Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV United States Posts: 361	yes, Chris, the component HD outs... __________________ Lonnie Bell mamas boy productions Las Vegas, NV

June 9th, 2007, 09:52 AM	#5
Lonnie Bell Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV United States Posts: 361	Dave, the page you suggested is intended for playback not recording live, and rumor has it that the component analog outs are out before they are hdv encoded thus not converted to a 1440x1080, but remain 1920x1080... but i'm trying to confirm this... __________________ Lonnie Bell mamas boy productions Las Vegas, NV

June 10th, 2007, 11:13 AM	#7
Lonnie Bell Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV United States Posts: 361	come on guys... i've read the threads, only speculation - anyone know?? __________________ Lonnie Bell mamas boy productions Las Vegas, NV

June 10th, 2007, 06:12 PM	#8
Jack Jenkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 122	Hey Lonnie, I havent tried this yet, but why not just go LIVE out to an HD tv and see what it looks like. I think I read somewhere that it does 1920 x 1080 out. You will certainly know if its 1440, it'll be squished.

June 10th, 2007, 07:12 PM	#9
Lonnie Bell Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV United States Posts: 361	I don't own one yet, Jack! Great idea though. I'm going to buy either the A1 or the G1, and then use the IO HD/ProRes field record workflow... But if I can save some money and go out 1080x1920 in Analog (A1) - why not? __________________ Lonnie Bell mamas boy productions Las Vegas, NV

June 10th, 2007, 07:50 PM	#10
Kevin Amundson Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Prague, MN Posts: 112	I hooked up my A1 to my Dell 24" LCD(1920x1200) via component out and here is my take. With the monitor set at 1:1 scale the video seems to be 1920x1080 but it looks like I'm getting an underscaned image because it doesn't fill the screen horizontally. There is about an inch missing on the left and right side. One weird thing I encountered when I had the Center Marker and Aspect Ratio Guides on was that the monitor didn't show the Aspect Ratio Guides, it only showed the Center Marker. Why is this? __________________ Kevin \| www.kraentertainment.com A picture is worth 1,000 words \| A 2 hour film at 24fps is worth 172,800,000 words

June 11th, 2007, 12:30 AM	#11
Jack Jenkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 122	kevin, did you use the composite port in back or the BNC port on side?

June 11th, 2007, 05:39 AM	#12
Lonnie Bell Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV United States Posts: 361	Kevin - thanks for doing this... Besides your suggestion of an underscanned image - going the other way could it be an overscan of a 1080x1440 image?? This is not my area here - come on in boys - the waters fine... HELP us non-engineers... __________________ Lonnie Bell mamas boy productions Las Vegas, NV

June 11th, 2007, 09:10 AM	#14
Jack Jenkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 122	Khoi, are you using the back component port or the side bnc port?