Playing around with A1

lian juin · June 7th, 2007, 02:31 PM

early attempts with the XH-A1. No story, just "no comment" style video.
subject is olympic pole vaulters preparing for Beijing Olympic Games.

24f,1/48,FCP,32mb

http://www.toraharris.com/video/otcwr.mov

John L. Miller · June 7th, 2007, 10:38 PM

Shot in 24F and edited in 24F and rendered in 24F? It looks way too smooth compared to anything I have seen in 24F. It looks great, but very different as far as motion and panning as to what I get out of the XH A1. Did you use an adapter such as a Letus35 to achieve those shallow depth of field shots? How did you achieve them if not? Thanks. J

lian juin · June 7th, 2007, 11:36 PM

Yes, this was shot in Canon's 24F and edited in FCP 24p, on a mac book. I get jerky/stroby images sometimes when in the 24F.

Cam was right out the box with no adaptor. As far as the depth of field...I just used small f-stop, stand way back and zoom way in (tripod) Hope that helps.

John L. Miller · June 8th, 2007, 12:04 AM

Great tip on the F stop. I am learning, the depth of field with the A1 is the most wide I have ever seen at this price. You certainly didn't get any jerking here. I wish my 24f turned out that smooth. I have to use 30fps because I am so gun shy. I am afraid to shoot something I really want and not be able to fix it later because of the jerkyness. I get similar results at 30fps. It is usually jerkyer that what you have shown in 24f. Thanks again for the tip. J

Steven Dempsey · June 8th, 2007, 07:47 AM

There is a very distracting hotspot in the center of your frame. Any idea what this is from? Is it in your original footage or is this something you added in post? It doesn't appear to be something that would appear based on compression.

Blake Calhoun · June 8th, 2007, 08:18 AM

Steve, looks to me he just added a vignette in post for a more dramatic effect (although it would probably look better with a more feathered edge). If not, then somethings up...

lian juin · June 8th, 2007, 09:23 AM

you are exactly right, i added vignette effect and it was too extreme gradient especially on the whites. my computer took forever just to do that (like 5 hours) so i gave up fixing it, any tips to make it faster? its not so visible when we played it back on a tube tv screen or compressed a different way. but i will fix it at some point. thanks guys.

Bill Busby · June 8th, 2007, 05:45 PM

Regarding the vignette... Did you "roll your own" vignette effect in FCP? I don't use FCP, I use Avid & there's several nice plugins that have a vignette filter.

Genarts Sapphire (my fav. allows greater control)
DFT 55mm
Boris BCC.

None of these show any gradients like seen in your clip.

Just curious,
Bill

Steven Fisher · June 25th, 2007, 11:27 PM

Hi, was just wondering whether you used the preset zoom button for those quick zooms in and out..? As I've found the preset button to be a little hard to do smoothly. Also did you speed them up in post...? Might be a stupid question, but thought it better to ask than have my amatuer self make any assumptions... I liked the footage by the way to.

Kalulu Ngilo · June 26th, 2007, 02:18 AM

i have still to understand why people love the 24fps effect. it just plain annoying and sometimes makes me sick when i watch it. why dont people just love smooth video? you just gotta go and spoil it. spoil is good and smooth is bad huh?

liked the video, it was very smooth.

June 7th, 2007, 02:31 PM	#1
lian juin Tourist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 3	Playing around with A1 - 24f,1/48,FCP,32mb early attempts with the XH-A1. No story, just "no comment" style video. subject is olympic pole vaulters preparing for Beijing Olympic Games. 24f,1/48,FCP,32mb http://www.toraharris.com/video/otcwr.mov

June 8th, 2007, 07:47 AM	#5
Steven Dempsey Disjecta Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 937	There is a very distracting hotspot in the center of your frame. Any idea what this is from? Is it in your original footage or is this something you added in post? It doesn't appear to be something that would appear based on compression. __________________ Try my Digital Therapy: http://www.pinelakefilms.com/digital_therapy.html Films on ExposureRoom: http://exposureroom.com/members/disjecta.aspx/videos/

June 8th, 2007, 08:18 AM	#6
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June 7th, 2007, 10:38 PM	#2
John L. Miller Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Huntington, WV Posts: 260	Shot in 24F and edited in 24F and rendered in 24F? It looks way too smooth compared to anything I have seen in 24F. It looks great, but very different as far as motion and panning as to what I get out of the XH A1. Did you use an adapter such as a Letus35 to achieve those shallow depth of field shots? How did you achieve them if not? Thanks. J

June 7th, 2007, 11:36 PM	#3
lian juin Tourist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 3	Yes, this was shot in Canon's 24F and edited in FCP 24p, on a mac book. I get jerky/stroby images sometimes when in the 24F. Cam was right out the box with no adaptor. As far as the depth of field...I just used small f-stop, stand way back and zoom way in (tripod) Hope that helps.

June 8th, 2007, 12:04 AM	#4
John L. Miller Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Huntington, WV Posts: 260	Great tip on the F stop. I am learning, the depth of field with the A1 is the most wide I have ever seen at this price. You certainly didn't get any jerking here. I wish my 24f turned out that smooth. I have to use 30fps because I am so gun shy. I am afraid to shoot something I really want and not be able to fix it later because of the jerkyness. I get similar results at 30fps. It is usually jerkyer that what you have shown in 24f. Thanks again for the tip. J

June 8th, 2007, 09:23 AM	#7
lian juin Tourist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 3	you are exactly right, i added vignette effect and it was too extreme gradient especially on the whites. my computer took forever just to do that (like 5 hours) so i gave up fixing it, any tips to make it faster? its not so visible when we played it back on a tube tv screen or compressed a different way. but i will fix it at some point. thanks guys.

June 8th, 2007, 05:45 PM	#8
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	Regarding the vignette... Did you "roll your own" vignette effect in FCP? I don't use FCP, I use Avid & there's several nice plugins that have a vignette filter. Genarts Sapphire (my fav. allows greater control) DFT 55mm Boris BCC. None of these show any gradients like seen in your clip. Just curious, Bill

June 25th, 2007, 11:27 PM	#9
Steven Fisher New Boot Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 5	Hi, was just wondering whether you used the preset zoom button for those quick zooms in and out..? As I've found the preset button to be a little hard to do smoothly. Also did you speed them up in post...? Might be a stupid question, but thought it better to ask than have my amatuer self make any assumptions... I liked the footage by the way to.

June 26th, 2007, 02:18 AM	#10
Kalulu Ngilo Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 112	i have still to understand why people love the 24fps effect. it just plain annoying and sometimes makes me sick when i watch it. why dont people just love smooth video? you just gotta go and spoil it. spoil is good and smooth is bad huh? liked the video, it was very smooth.