Soccer Match Help!! at DVinfo.net

Matthew Amirkhani · May 31st, 2007, 09:44 AM

Hi Guys,

I have to cover a soccer match next week and need your help with the preset and shutter speed.

Should I film it in 60i?

Thanks All.
Matthew

Steve Yager · May 31st, 2007, 11:37 AM

Depends on the feel you want. Do you want a cinematic feel or a sports program feel? Decide, then use the appropriate frame rate.

Steven Davis · May 31st, 2007, 11:59 AM

I would try and practice shooting at one of thier soccer practices.

Harold Schreiber · May 31st, 2007, 03:46 PM

Hi Matthew,

If you have not done Soccer before, then please take Steve and Steven's advice.

When I did an entire season. I shot it from the Press Box, and used a 13" CRT Monitor to be able to see the ball. Also used my custom made telescopic control handle along with a 2-speed wired remote. Once set up, never touched or looked at the Cam, except to change tapes.

Harold

Peter Dunphy · March 13th, 2009, 04:10 AM

Hi guys

I have a school soccer event to film soon and would appreciate any tips on XH-A1 settings. I just want a slick, clean 'feel' to the images, much like a live soccer match on television.

I'll have a Libec 38 Tripod and Merlin Steadicam with me. I would like to get a good variety of angles for use in a video...but am conscious that if I move the camera to change position, I might miss a goal!

So far I've been used to 'TV' mode in combination with exposure lock as I find this the easiest to work with.

The weather forecast for the afternoon I'm filming is: Sunny Intervals but mostly cloudy.

Unfortunately I'm unable to practice filming a live sports event with my XHA1 before then (although I have filmed some in the past on other camcorders), so any 'failsafe' settings such as typical shutter speed would be really appreciated.

All the best

Howard Churgin · March 13th, 2009, 04:46 AM

Although I have not shot soccer, I shoot Horseback riding and Jumping. I use TV mode, minimum of 100 shutter speed when indoors, outdoors try for even faster 150 or better (soccer should be similar, I don't think players run faster than a horse canters). If your outdoors in fairly good light you should be able to get a little faster than that. Dont let your aperture get too small, increase the shutter speed if you need to, use the ND filter if you have to to get a good combo of shutter speed and aperture. Shoot in 60i for smoothness and more editing possibilties later. (ie, good slo mo effects) Keep AGC off and do a simple custom white balance. Outdoors I find the auto WB pretty good anyway. With the settings mentioned above I get very good results for the horseback riding and jumping. The hardest part will be determined by where you are filming from. If you are parallel to the action all the time you have to watch for the fast pans and motion artifacts from keeping up. Maybe you should think about being a little more at an angle to the action rather than the typical television shot from center field.

Ian Wright · March 13th, 2009, 06:36 AM

watch out for rapid and dramatic changes in light levels as the clouds whiz by.

You could get some friends to kick a ball around at your local park to get some practice.

Good Luck!
Ian
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Peter Dunphy · March 13th, 2009, 05:02 PM

Thanks Howard and Ian, great advice! Will post again in this thread with how I get on next week. Have a great weekend!

Michael Ojjeh · March 13th, 2009, 08:05 PM

I would shoot in 60I and 150-200 shutter speed, -3db, ND filter on.
60i will look good for any slow mo replay.

Peter Dunphy · March 15th, 2009, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Ojjeh

I would shoot in 60I and 150-200 shutter speed, -3db, ND filter on.
60i will look good for any slow mo replay.

Great thanks Michael.

May 31st, 2007, 09:44 AM	#1
Matthew Amirkhani Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 279	Soccer Match Help!! Hi Guys, I have to cover a soccer match next week and need your help with the preset and shutter speed. Should I film it in 60i? Thanks All. Matthew __________________ Canon XHA1, Brevis 35mm, Manfrotto 028,501,Vegas Pro 10e

May 31st, 2007, 11:59 AM	#3
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	I would try and practice shooting at one of thier soccer practices. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

March 13th, 2009, 08:05 PM	#9
Michael Ojjeh Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 338	I would shoot in 60I and 150-200 shutter speed, -3db, ND filter on. 60i will look good for any slow mo replay. __________________ Dragonfly Production http://www.dragonflyproduction.net/ http://www.vimeo.com/user432181

May 31st, 2007, 11:37 AM	#2
Steve Yager Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 157	Depends on the feel you want. Do you want a cinematic feel or a sports program feel? Decide, then use the appropriate frame rate.

May 31st, 2007, 03:46 PM	#4
Harold Schreiber Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Olathe, Kansas Posts: 309	Hi Matthew, If you have not done Soccer before, then please take Steve and Steven's advice. When I did an entire season. I shot it from the Press Box, and used a 13" CRT Monitor to be able to see the ball. Also used my custom made telescopic control handle along with a 2-speed wired remote. Once set up, never touched or looked at the Cam, except to change tapes. Harold

March 13th, 2009, 04:10 AM	#5
Peter Dunphy Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Belfast Northern Ireland Posts: 261	Hi guys I have a school soccer event to film soon and would appreciate any tips on XH-A1 settings. I just want a slick, clean 'feel' to the images, much like a live soccer match on television. I'll have a Libec 38 Tripod and Merlin Steadicam with me. I would like to get a good variety of angles for use in a video...but am conscious that if I move the camera to change position, I might miss a goal! So far I've been used to 'TV' mode in combination with exposure lock as I find this the easiest to work with. The weather forecast for the afternoon I'm filming is: Sunny Intervals but mostly cloudy. Unfortunately I'm unable to practice filming a live sports event with my XHA1 before then (although I have filmed some in the past on other camcorders), so any 'failsafe' settings such as typical shutter speed would be really appreciated. All the best

March 13th, 2009, 04:46 AM	#6
Howard Churgin Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Marlboro, NJ Posts: 85	Although I have not shot soccer, I shoot Horseback riding and Jumping. I use TV mode, minimum of 100 shutter speed when indoors, outdoors try for even faster 150 or better (soccer should be similar, I don't think players run faster than a horse canters). If your outdoors in fairly good light you should be able to get a little faster than that. Dont let your aperture get too small, increase the shutter speed if you need to, use the ND filter if you have to to get a good combo of shutter speed and aperture. Shoot in 60i for smoothness and more editing possibilties later. (ie, good slo mo effects) Keep AGC off and do a simple custom white balance. Outdoors I find the auto WB pretty good anyway. With the settings mentioned above I get very good results for the horseback riding and jumping. The hardest part will be determined by where you are filming from. If you are parallel to the action all the time you have to watch for the fast pans and motion artifacts from keeping up. Maybe you should think about being a little more at an angle to the action rather than the typical television shot from center field.

March 13th, 2009, 06:36 AM	#7
Ian Wright Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Edinburgh UK Posts: 94	watch out for rapid and dramatic changes in light levels as the clouds whiz by. You could get some friends to kick a ball around at your local park to get some practice. Good Luck! Ian Festival Video and Audio Previews - Festival Previews Ltd

March 13th, 2009, 05:02 PM	#8
Peter Dunphy Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Belfast Northern Ireland Posts: 261	Thanks Howard and Ian, great advice! Will post again in this thread with how I get on next week. Have a great weekend!