XH Upgrade Wishlist Poll v1 at DVinfo.net

Chris Hurd · January 19th, 2007, 10:04 AM

Note: Review all of the poll options carefully! You may choose up to four (4) poll options when you vote, but you can vote only one time. Choose carefully, because you cannot alter your vote once it has been submitted, nor can you vote again. So, put some thought into it! It's going to be tough to narrow all of these excellent suggestions down to your four favorites.

There is of course absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that Canon will act upon the results of this poll, but at least it will give them some idea of the changes you would most like to see in their XH series camcorders.

This poll was inspired by Michael Mann's "Firmware Upgrade Wishlist" thread located at http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=82673

Barlow Elton · February 2nd, 2007, 02:44 PM

I voted for:

--Magnification works during recording
--Allow Peaking and Zebra together
--Option to flip image to tape and over video outputs
--Soft clipping / limiter in Manual Audio mode

Great poll Chris! I hope some of these changes are actually possible with a firmware upgrade.

Edit: I think I got a little confused on the magnification thing; I want it to only magnify in the LCD and VF, but not affect the actual recording, and have the option of magnifying on the analog output but not affecting the tape recording. This would be great for folks using a Marshall monitor etc. and a 35mm adapter. Ultimate focusing flexibility.

Chris Hurd · February 2nd, 2007, 02:48 PM

Barlow, I thought I paid you under the table to vote for "OIS mappable to Custom Key." It's not easy to pick just four! In fact I'm still thinking about what my other three will be.

Barlow Elton · February 2nd, 2007, 02:49 PM

LOL! Some tough choices there, but I guess you can't have everything. :)

Chris Hurd · February 2nd, 2007, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barlow Elton

I think I got a little confused on the magnification thing; I want it to only magnify in the LCD and VF, but not affect the actual recording, and have the option of magnifying on the analog output but not affecting the tape recording.

Good point... the way I worded it was confusing (was: Magnification works during recording). Changed now to: F. Asst. Mag. on displays / analog out during Rec. (assume that the slash means and / or).

Barlow Elton · February 2nd, 2007, 02:59 PM

Oh, can I have one fantasy wish item that would become a new Canon product?

How about Canon actually making a shallow DOF 35mm adapter. Might make the A1 a nice little poor man's Red. :)

Sorry, back on topic.

Chris Hurd · February 2nd, 2007, 03:05 PM

Firmware, Barlow, firmware... but that's a great idea for the hardware wishlist!

Question for all, before this gets too far along... do we need this distinction:

Option to flip image (but not displays) in viewfinders
vs.
Option to flip image to tape and over video outputs

...or should they be grouped together as one option? Wouldn't an image flip on the CCD block (for recording to tape) induce an additional and somewhat significant processing delay? Or not.

Bill Busby · February 2nd, 2007, 03:23 PM

Nice touch on the use of italics for what selections a forum user's choice was, Chris.

I voted while waiting for a render & had to make a decision for the last 2 choices & flipped a coin 8 times... 4 times for each (knowing full well what was the most important was & what my choice would be) & all 8 tosses ended up being for the least important. It was just for fun & didn't let it govern what the outcome was :)

Bill

Barlow Elton · February 2nd, 2007, 03:29 PM

I think you're right, Chris. It's more important to just flip the image in the displays if it doesn't induce a signifigant delay penalty.

Stu Siegal · February 2nd, 2007, 03:32 PM

How can I distribute campaign buttons & bumper stickers for OIS on & off & soft clipping?!

Chris Hurd · February 2nd, 2007, 03:45 PM

So far, both image flip options have one vote each -- I can combine the options but not the votes. Wonder if it's best just to wait until closing and tally them together as one, or merge them now while it's early? I have no idea.

Bill Busby · February 2nd, 2007, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu Siegal

How can I distribute campaign buttons & bumper stickers for OIS on & off & soft clipping?!

Stu, my address is available on request :D

Thoes are 2 of my top 4 btw.

Bill

Alex Leith · February 2nd, 2007, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu Siegal

How can I distribute campaign buttons & bumper stickers for OIS on & off & soft clipping?!

I'm with you! I can't believe [at this stage] there are more votes for displaying preset names than soft clipping.

Think of the audio folks! Hee! Hee! :-D

Chris Hurd · February 2nd, 2007, 04:19 PM

Okay, I went ahead and decided to combine the two image flip options into one (now you don't have to choose between them or waste a vote on both of them).

Was:

Option to flip image (but not displays) in viewfinders
vs.
Option to flip image to tape and over video outputs

Now:

Flip image in viewfinders (and maybe to tape, outputs)

Sorry for the ambiguous "maybe," but let's say that the vote is for adding some kind of image flip function, at the very least in the viewfinders, and possibly to tape as well assuming it doesn't result in a processing lag.

And I was able to move Barlow's vote over to the new option after all.

Bill Pryor · February 2nd, 2007, 04:42 PM

I just voted for the OIS custom key option. I don't want to overwhelm them by redesigning the camera.

I would, however, also have voted for slower focus shift speeds on the focus shift function, had it been on the list. Fast, faster and even faster doesn't cut it.

View Poll Results: Which four (4) features should be added to the XH series camcorders?
OIS On / Off mappable to Custom Key	118	51.75%
XLR On / Off mappable to Custom Key	61	26.75%
Default Shutter speed in 25F of 1/50th	24	10.53%
Additional Shutter speeds (1/33rd and/or 1/40th)	21	9.21%
Option to display Shutter values in degrees	3	1.32%
Preset maximum Gain value for AGC	48	21.05%
Add intermediate steps in Gain (+9db, +15db)	46	20.18%
F. Asst. Mag. on displays / analog out during Rec.	26	11.40%
Allow Peaking and Zebra together	95	41.67%
Customize Peaking color and intensity	35	15.35%
Flip image in viewfinders (and maybe to tape, outputs)	63	27.63%
Move AE Shift function from menu to iris ring	26	11.40%
Histogram On / Off for Video (record and playback)	49	21.49%
Display active C. Preset name (record and playback)	55	24.12%
Display lens info (focus and zoom) on playback	18	7.89%
Display remaining battery time in real minutes	72	31.58%
Function setting for Long Push of "End Play" button	2	0.88%
Soft clipping / limiter in Manual Audio mode	63	27.63%
Allow digital zoom in Standard Definition recording	5	2.19%
Option: AF off during zoom (prevent focus pulsing)	59	25.88%
Photo buttons as optional Custom Keys	16	7.02%
Slower speeds for Focus Position preset transitions	44	19.30%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 228. You may not vote on this poll

January 19th, 2007, 10:04 AM	#1
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	XH Upgrade Wishlist Poll v1 Note: Review all of the poll options carefully! You may choose up to four (4) poll options when you vote, but you can vote only one time. Choose carefully, because you cannot alter your vote once it has been submitted, nor can you vote again. So, put some thought into it! It's going to be tough to narrow all of these excellent suggestions down to your four favorites. There is of course absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that Canon will act upon the results of this poll, but at least it will give them some idea of the changes you would most like to see in their XH series camcorders. This poll was inspired by Michael Mann's "Firmware Upgrade Wishlist" thread located at http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=82673 __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 2nd, 2007, 02:48 PM	#3
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Barlow, I thought I paid you under the table to vote for "OIS mappable to Custom Key." It's not easy to pick just four! In fact I'm still thinking about what my other three will be. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 2nd, 2007, 03:05 PM	#7
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Firmware, Barlow, firmware... but that's a great idea for the hardware wishlist! Question for all, before this gets too far along... do we need this distinction: Option to flip image (but not displays) in viewfinders vs. Option to flip image to tape and over video outputs ...or should they be grouped together as one option? Wouldn't an image flip on the CCD block (for recording to tape) induce an additional and somewhat significant processing delay? Or not. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 2nd, 2007, 03:45 PM	#11
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	So far, both image flip options have one vote each -- I can combine the options but not the votes. Wonder if it's best just to wait until closing and tally them together as one, or merge them now while it's early? I have no idea. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 2nd, 2007, 02:44 PM	#2
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	I voted for: --Magnification works during recording --Allow Peaking and Zebra together --Option to flip image to tape and over video outputs --Soft clipping / limiter in Manual Audio mode Great poll Chris! I hope some of these changes are actually possible with a firmware upgrade. Edit: I think I got a little confused on the magnification thing; I want it to only magnify in the LCD and VF, but not affect the actual recording, and have the option of magnifying on the analog output but not affecting the tape recording. This would be great for folks using a Marshall monitor etc. and a 35mm adapter. Ultimate focusing flexibility.

February 2nd, 2007, 02:49 PM	#4
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	LOL! Some tough choices there, but I guess you can't have everything. :)

February 2nd, 2007, 02:59 PM	#6
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	Oh, can I have one fantasy wish item that would become a new Canon product? How about Canon actually making a shallow DOF 35mm adapter. Might make the A1 a nice little poor man's Red. :) Sorry, back on topic.

February 2nd, 2007, 03:23 PM	#8
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	Nice touch on the use of italics for what selections a forum user's choice was, Chris. I voted while waiting for a render & had to make a decision for the last 2 choices & flipped a coin 8 times... 4 times for each (knowing full well what was the most important was & what my choice would be) & all 8 tosses ended up being for the least important. It was just for fun & didn't let it govern what the outcome was :) Bill

February 2nd, 2007, 03:29 PM	#9
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	I think you're right, Chris. It's more important to just flip the image in the displays if it doesn't induce a signifigant delay penalty.

February 2nd, 2007, 03:32 PM	#10
Stu Siegal Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 151	How can I distribute campaign buttons & bumper stickers for OIS on & off & soft clipping?!

February 2nd, 2007, 04:19 PM	#14
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Okay, I went ahead and decided to combine the two image flip options into one (now you don't have to choose between them or waste a vote on both of them). Was: Option to flip image (but not displays) in viewfinders vs. Option to flip image to tape and over video outputs Now: Flip image in viewfinders (and maybe to tape, outputs) Sorry for the ambiguous "maybe," but let's say that the vote is for adding some kind of image flip function, at the very least in the viewfinders, and possibly to tape as well assuming it doesn't result in a processing lag. And I was able to move Barlow's vote over to the new option after all. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 2nd, 2007, 04:42 PM	#15
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	I just voted for the OIS custom key option. I don't want to overwhelm them by redesigning the camera. I would, however, also have voted for slower focus shift speeds on the focus shift function, had it been on the list. Fast, faster and even faster doesn't cut it.