How to set up a firmware update wishlist?

[Richard Hunter]

1. 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F or remember previous shutter speed.
2. OIS on custom key.
3. Exposure lock disables AGC adjustments.

[Holly Rognan]

How about magnification that works during recording? I shot a wedding recently and I wanted to make sure that it was in critical focus, but I couldn't tell due to the small screen.

[Bill Busby]

FWIW, & if you didn't know this already... you can set the LCD screen & the viewfinder both on simultaneously in case you need to check focus since the viewfinder is suppose to be somewhat higher rez (although I don't have a problem focusing using the LCD).

[Michael Mann]

Here's the overview of wishes so far (not ranked yet):

- No focus pulsing during zooms (if fixable by firmware)
- OIS on custom key
- 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F
- remember the previous selected shutter speed
- Exposure override via iris ring in Tv and Av mode
- Soft clipping / limiter in manual audio mode
- custom presets select via shutter scroll wheel
- image flip on LCD
- peaking and zebra together
- Exposure lock disables AGC adjustments
- improvements of NR1, NR2
- additional stop(s) between 1/25 and 1/50 (1/33 and/or 1/40)
- Intermediate steps in gain
- remaining battery time in real minutes
- improvement of the "night" mode
- conversion 50i to 25f
- magnification that works during recording
- fix: -40 value in Custom settings

...

I probably forgot wishes, so please copy and enlarge/update this list to give Chris a growing, complete notepad for programming the final wishlist-poll.

[Raymond Toussaint]

Here's the overview of wishes so far (ranked):

- fix: -40 value in Custom settings
- OIS on custom key
- 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F
- remember the previous selected shutter speed
- Exposure lock acts as 'Push auto exposure' in Manual mode
- Soft clipping / limiter in manual audio mode
- peaking and zebra together
- magnification that works during recording
- Exposure override via iris ring in Tv mode
- custom presets select via shutter scroll wheel
- image flip on LCD
- Exposure lock disables AGC adjustments
- improvements of NR1, NR2
- additional stop(s) between 1/25 and 1/50 (1/33 and/or 1/40)
- Intermediate steps in gain
- remaining battery time in real minutes
- improvement of the "night" mode
- conversion 50i to 25f

[Michael Mann]

Chris: Maybe we wait another couple of days to let our wishlist grow before starting the poll? Would that be okay with you?

Raymond: Thanks for updating our wishlist. I think we don't have to rank our wishes right now since the ranking will be the result of our final poll.

Folks: How many votes should each member get? Alternative: Every member can vote for every wish (very important / important / not important).

Please keep on updating our wishlist (simply by copying and enlarging/modifying it).

[Stu Siegal]

Don't forget ability to switch between xlr and camera mics using a custom key.

[Chris Hurd]

Originally Posted by Michael Mann

Maybe we wait another couple of days to let our wishlist grow before starting the poll?

That's a good idea, it's going to be difficult to change the poll once the voting starts. Also keep in mind that there's absolutely no guarantee that anything will come out of this... I believe that it is worth the effort to try, but it's important not to *expect* anything to happen as a result of this poll. Also, I hope you guys realize that the longer this list becomes, the easier it would be to disregard it as unreasonable? Can you separate the "must have" from the "would be nice?"

[Michael Mann]

Originally Posted by Stu Siegal

Also, I hope you guys realize that the longer this list becomes, the easier it would be to disregard it as unreasonable? Can you separate the "must have" from the "would be nice?"

You're right, Chris.
But - as long as it does not take to much time for you to program! - I recommend we should do the separation ("must have" vs. "would be nice") AFTER the final poll, when we have got the ranking. We could then simply communicate - for example - only the top 5 wishes (as a "must have") to Canon. It would be a pity to left out wishes BEFORE the poll, since we simply don't know yet how important these wishes are (in average) to us users. The poll will tell us!
(Of course we should left out wishes that are technically impossible to get fixed by firmware.)

Originally Posted by Stu Siegal

Don't forget ability to switch between xlr and camera mics using a custom key.

Super! Thanks, Stu.

Here's our updated wish list:

- fix: focus pulsing during zooms (if fixable by firmware)
- OIS mappable to custom key
- XLR/ camera mics mappable to custom key
- 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F
- Remember the previous selected shutter speed
- Exposure lock acts as 'Push auto exposure' in Manual mode
- Soft clipping / limiter in manual audio mode
- Peaking and zebra together
- Magnification that works during recording
- Exposure override via iris ring in TV mode
- Custom presets select via shutter scroll wheel
- Image flip on LCD
- Exposure lock disables AGC adjustments
- Improvements of NR1, NR2
- Additional stop(s) between 1/25 and 1/50 (1/33 and/or 1/40)
- Intermediate steps in gain
- Remaining battery time in real minutes
- Improvement of the "night" mode
- Conversion 50i to 25f (playback)

What else?

[Stu Siegal]

Here's what i'd say are must haves, in order. These are either fixes or functions that I think should have reasonably been expected to be there in the first place, and also seem possible to fix with a firmware update.


- fix: -40 value in Custom settings
- OIS mappable to custom key
- Soft clipping / limiter in manual audio mode
- XLR/ camera mics mappable to custom key
- 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F
- Remember the previous selected shutter speed

The rest would sure be nice, but are less critical or realistic for a firmware update.

- Intermediate steps in gain
- Remaining battery time in real minutes
- Exposure lock acts as 'Push auto exposure' in Manual mode
- Peaking and zebra together
- Magnification that works during recording
- Exposure override via iris ring in TV mode
- Custom presets select via shutter scroll wheel
- Image flip on LCD
- Exposure lock disables AGC adjustments
- Improvements of NR1, NR2
- Additional stop(s) between 1/25 and 1/50 (1/33 and/or 1/40)
- Improvement of the "night" mode
- Conversion 50i to 25f (playback)

[Chris Hurd]

Originally Posted by Michael Mann

I strongly recommend we should do the separation ("must have" vs. "would be nice") AFTER the final poll, when we have got the ranking.

Okay, I'll see if we can run the poll as follows: a member can access a votable poll *one* time (it would be neither fair nor accurate for any one person to vote multiple times). When a person votes in the poll, they can choose a limited number of selections... three or four or five... from the total number on the list. If the list has twenty choices, you can pick four of them, and that's your vote... and it's your one single vote. This will give us an idea of how many people there are among our membership that are actually interested in this.

Also, I think you can safely remove the "fix -40 value in Custom Presets" from the wish list. Consider it a given. If Canon chooses to issue a firmware upgrade, then they'll fix that obvious problem; we don't have to ask for it.

[Michael Mann]

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Okay, I'll see if we can run the poll as follows: a member can access a votable poll *one* time (it would be neither fair nor accurate for any one person to vote multiple times). When a person votes in the poll, they can choose a limited number of selections... three or four or five... from the total number on the list. If the list has twenty choices, you can pick four of them, and that's your vote... and it's your one single vote. This will give us an idea of how many people there are among our membership that are actually interested in this.

Sounds great to me!

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Also, I think you can safely remove the "fix -40 value in Custom Presets" from the wish list. Consider it a given. If Canon chooses to issue a firmware upgrade, then they'll fix that obvious problem...

Agreed!

[Stu Siegal]

This sounds great, Chris. Thanks.

[Raymond Toussaint]

Originally Posted by Stu Siegal

Here's what i'd say are must haves, in order. These are either fixes or functions that I think should have reasonably been expected to be there in the first place, and also seem possible to fix with a firmware update.

The rest would sure be nice, but are less critical or realistic for a firmware update.

Important

- OIS mappable to custom key
- Soft clipping / limiter in manual audio mode
- Exposure lock acts as 'Push auto exposure' in Manual mode
- 1/50th default shutter speed in 25F
- XLR/ camera mics mappable to custom key


I want to plea for
-Exposure lock acts as 'Push auto exposure' in Manual mode, as important.

Why? This big button is doing nothing in manual mode, Push auto exposure
(to override temp the manual iris setting) is something all professional cams have. In manual mode you need to push auto focus and push auto iris to override the manual. This is a function I use often, and it is always there.

Default shutter? You need to check WB, Focus, Iris AND shutter before you start, sometimes you want 1/25, 1/100, mostly 1/50. This is something you CAN change.

I know for sure that a short list brings more power than a long list, it need to be something that is programmable in the software systematic.

[Holly Rognan]

How about better white balance?

I enjoy the "dialied in white balance", but many times the 2800k isn't cold enough. A lot of times I can't get it low enough (which is wierd because I can get the white balance if I allow the AWB, which I hate to do, or use the A-B settings, which work out, but not as fine tuned.

I am unsure if anyone else has come into this slight problem, but I would like the white balance to go lower.