Wide Angle Adaptor for XH A1?

Steve Wolla · January 22nd, 2007, 02:47 AM

Hi,
I got my XHA1 about 3 weeks ago, and have shot a couple jobs with it and am loving it, thus far. Only issue is, I got the Canon wide angle because optically Canon glass is sooo good. Problem is, I cannot find a filter for its enormous 109mm size! All I need noe is a decent UV, basically for protection. Any suggestions? I have tried B&W, Century, and Hoya to no avail.
Any help would sure be appreciated.
SW

Chris Hurd · January 22nd, 2007, 10:32 AM

Hi Steve, you better check the front of the adapter... there aren't any threads for mounting a screw-on filter! A clamp-on mattebox, or a matte box and rails, is going to be your best bet for adding UV or any other type of filter to the front of the WA adapter.

Steve Wolla · January 22nd, 2007, 08:10 PM

Chris,
Thanks for the info--I had just assumed that it would be threaded (!!!).

Jim Martin · January 24th, 2007, 12:30 PM

The down-and-dirty way is tape a 4X5.650 filter inside the hood that comes with the WA.

Jim Martin

Tom Hardwick · January 24th, 2007, 12:55 PM

Oh-oh. Be *very* wary about filtration when you're working at focal lengths such as 2.5 mm. Hold your finger tips 2.5 mm apart and just gawp at the minute focal length we're talking about, and then realise that even at wide apertures your dof will extend from the front element to infinity for most of your outdoor shooting.

There's good reason for omitting 'filter' threads with such a wide-angle converter. It's hard enough keeping that front element absolutely spotless and well hooded without having people confound the problem by adding more glass surfaces.

If you must, then go for it. Polarisors are difficult to emulate in post but for most other filtration you're better of doing it (and more importantly undoing it) on the timeline.

tom.

Giroud Francois · January 24th, 2007, 03:12 PM

cokin is doing filter holder with big size. the biggest being the Z-pro serie up to 110mm (to be verified)

Paul Alberts · February 1st, 2007, 12:48 PM

Haven't had much time to play around with it yet, but it is heavy. So what shoulder mount do you have for yours?

L. Kirk Kauder · February 1st, 2007, 01:16 PM

Hey Paul... I asked myself that same question and did a lot of research. My decision? I went with the Tiffen Steady Stick... and I'm really happy that I did. It's light weight, easy to manage (if you use the same quickmount for the SS and your tripod) and really works like they say. (Not to mention it's only a hundred bucks!)

This short thread lays it out and the link to the page with the video is very helpful (it was that video that helped me make the decision.)

http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.ph...dy+stick+video

Chris Hurd · February 1st, 2007, 01:50 PM

We have a forum dedicated entirely to shoulder supports, the Steady Stick, etc.:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=121

Bill Busby · February 1st, 2007, 02:00 PM

I've seen that demo video bit before. His mention of the "coopler" (the way he pronounces coupler) cracks me up. :D

Bill

Barry Gribble · February 1st, 2007, 04:12 PM

Are there any third party WA extensions that will work with the A1?

I will only use it a little bit, and mostly for web video, so I'm guessing that a $80 jobber might do the trick.

Also, does anyone have any screen shots of how wide the WD-H72 will take you?

Chris Hurd · February 1st, 2007, 04:25 PM

Quote:

anyone have any screen shots of how wide the WD-H72 will take you?

Search is your friend, Barry!

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=80691

and

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=80716

Barry Gribble · February 1st, 2007, 04:33 PM

Lol, yeah Chris, search is how I found this thread.

I really like that second shot, buy it didn't use "Wide Angle," ah well.

Thanks.

Still interested in any input on the el-cheapo types.

Chris Hurd · February 1st, 2007, 04:42 PM

Well, I had to show what full telephoto is like with that adapter, since it is a zoom-through.

Beware the el-cheapo, especially with HD! Don't you know, you get what you pay for?

Barry Gribble · February 1st, 2007, 04:50 PM

Yeah, I know. It's just hard to justify the $400 when I'm mostly shooting for web anyway, and when I don't even have a specific need yet. The last time I needed it was for a 10 second bathroom shot shown at 425x239. I figure cheap won't read much there. If I had a full screen project I wouldn't be thinking about the cheap path.

I'm still considering it, though. Thanks again.

January 22nd, 2007, 02:47 AM	#61
Steve Wolla Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 477	Filter for Canon-made WD-H72 wide angle lens Hi, I got my XHA1 about 3 weeks ago, and have shot a couple jobs with it and am loving it, thus far. Only issue is, I got the Canon wide angle because optically Canon glass is sooo good. Problem is, I cannot find a filter for its enormous 109mm size! All I need noe is a decent UV, basically for protection. Any suggestions? I have tried B&W, Century, and Hoya to no avail. Any help would sure be appreciated. SW

January 22nd, 2007, 10:32 AM	#62
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,369 Images: 513	Hi Steve, you better check the front of the adapter... there aren't any threads for mounting a screw-on filter! A clamp-on mattebox, or a matte box and rails, is going to be your best bet for adding UV or any other type of filter to the front of the WA adapter. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 1st, 2007, 12:48 PM	#67
Paul Alberts New Boot Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prince George, BC Posts: 17	Received camera and wide converter... Spider Brace or Canon SBR-1000 Haven't had much time to play around with it yet, but it is heavy. So what shoulder mount do you have for yours? Attached Thumbnails

February 1st, 2007, 01:50 PM	#69
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,369 Images: 513	We have a forum dedicated entirely to shoulder supports, the Steady Stick, etc.: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=121 __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 1st, 2007, 04:12 PM	#71
Barry Gribble Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 817	Are there any third party WA extensions that will work with the A1? I will only use it a little bit, and mostly for web video, so I'm guessing that a $80 jobber might do the trick. Also, does anyone have any screen shots of how wide the WD-H72 will take you? __________________ Barry Gribble Integral Arts, IMDB

January 22nd, 2007, 08:10 PM	#63
Steve Wolla Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 477	Chris, Thanks for the info--I had just assumed that it would be threaded (!!!).

January 24th, 2007, 12:30 PM	#64
Jim Martin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Burbank, CA 91502 Posts: 949	The down-and-dirty way is tape a 4X5.650 filter inside the hood that comes with the WA. Jim Martin

January 24th, 2007, 12:55 PM	#65
Tom Hardwick Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Billericay, England UK Posts: 4,711	Oh-oh. Be very wary about filtration when you're working at focal lengths such as 2.5 mm. Hold your finger tips 2.5 mm apart and just gawp at the minute focal length we're talking about, and then realise that even at wide apertures your dof will extend from the front element to infinity for most of your outdoor shooting. There's good reason for omitting 'filter' threads with such a wide-angle converter. It's hard enough keeping that front element absolutely spotless and well hooded without having people confound the problem by adding more glass surfaces. If you must, then go for it. Polarisors are difficult to emulate in post but for most other filtration you're better of doing it (and more importantly undoing it) on the timeline. tom.

January 24th, 2007, 03:12 PM	#66
Giroud Francois Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: switzerland Posts: 2,133	cokin is doing filter holder with big size. the biggest being the Z-pro serie up to 110mm (to be verified)

February 1st, 2007, 01:16 PM	#68
L. Kirk Kauder Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sugar Land, TX USA Posts: 40	Hey Paul... I asked myself that same question and did a lot of research. My decision? I went with the Tiffen Steady Stick... and I'm really happy that I did. It's light weight, easy to manage (if you use the same quickmount for the SS and your tripod) and really works like they say. (Not to mention it's only a hundred bucks!) This short thread lays it out and the link to the page with the video is very helpful (it was that video that helped me make the decision.) http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.ph...dy+stick+video

February 1st, 2007, 02:00 PM	#70
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	I've seen that demo video bit before. His mention of the "coopler" (the way he pronounces coupler) cracks me up. :D Bill

February 1st, 2007, 04:33 PM	#73
Barry Gribble Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 817	Lol, yeah Chris, search is how I found this thread. I really like that second shot, buy it didn't use "Wide Angle," ah well. Thanks. Still interested in any input on the el-cheapo types. __________________ Barry Gribble Integral Arts, IMDB

February 1st, 2007, 04:42 PM	#74
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,369 Images: 513	Well, I had to show what full telephoto is like with that adapter, since it is a zoom-through. Beware the el-cheapo, especially with HD! Don't you know, you get what you pay for? __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 1st, 2007, 04:50 PM	#75
Barry Gribble Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 817	Yeah, I know. It's just hard to justify the $400 when I'm mostly shooting for web anyway, and when I don't even have a specific need yet. The last time I needed it was for a 10 second bathroom shot shown at 425x239. I figure cheap won't read much there. If I had a full screen project I wouldn't be thinking about the cheap path. I'm still considering it, though. Thanks again. __________________ Barry Gribble Integral Arts, IMDB