Portable solution for that amazing SDI out? at DVinfo.net

Jack Jenkins · July 29th, 2006, 12:51 PM

Anything in the works thats portable that can suck up the uncompressed stuff? (firestore on steroids? smart, really fast hard drive?)

Michael Struthers · July 31st, 2006, 03:39 PM

We're all looking bro. Perhaps Canon would like to come out with their own product so they could sell a few cameras...

Michael Struthers · July 31st, 2006, 03:42 PM

FS-4 Pro HD?

Paul Matwiy · July 31st, 2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Struthers

FS-4 Pro HD?

Probably not. A single, IDE based drive won't support the 1.5 Gbps data rate of HD-SDI at 1080i. Most film companies use either RAID arrays or a tape solution. You could use a Sony HDCAM HDW250 field recorder.

PAul

Jack Jenkins · July 31st, 2006, 10:08 PM

What about some sort of intelligent enclosure, housing 2 drives (LACIE makes a terrabytye drive that is essentially 2 500 gb drives hooked together, kind of a mini raid, all you really need is 2)?
On that note, it seems like they could even make a raid from the tiny firestore drives, it would be a little brick, and it wouldn't be as stealthy as the normal firestore but it beats dragging a full-size raid around or a laptop or both.

Jack Jenkins · July 31st, 2006, 10:10 PM

yeah, the um HDW250 is um $42000 retail. uh-huh....

Dylan Pank · August 1st, 2006, 05:50 AM

you could rent it?

Cengiz Ozgok · August 1st, 2006, 06:13 AM

Can somebody tell me what HD-SDI means Standard - Definition - ........
And what is so special of this format ? Does it means you can shoot uncompressed so outher solution for Mpeg2 or DVpro ??
Can FCP-5 work with HD-SDI ??

Thanks anyway

James Lundy · August 1st, 2006, 06:58 AM

High Definition - Serial Digital Interface. :)

Nick Hiltgen · August 1st, 2006, 07:12 AM

Cengiz

HD-SDI isn't a format it's a transfer medium, like fibercable or firewire. Or to eb more specific the interface is that way. It's kinda like a spicket to a hose, this spicket allows for a lot of water (information) to get through the hose (cable) so that there is more to work with on the other end.

oh, even better, firewire is kinda like the spicket running to your garden hose, HD-SDI is like a fire hydrant.. does that make any sense?

If you have a capture card with an HD-SdI port then you can take the information directly uncompressed intio your computer but it will be a lot easier to work with if you have a little bit of compression (like cineform or dvcprohd or whatever).

Jeff Krepner · August 1st, 2006, 08:30 AM

I'd venture to guess someone (someday) can come up with a portable raid device using those new SAS, Serial Attached Scsi, drives that have rotational speeds up to 15K and are only 1" thick. Two of those could fit in something about the size of a firestore and would still be cheaper than P2 cards. (I guess)

Mathieu Kassovitz · August 2nd, 2006, 09:24 PM

Using a simple laptop like a tablet PC? As Cineform RAW since it is available now from the Silicon Imaging offer?

Soeren Mueller · August 3rd, 2006, 01:14 AM

Mathieu, did you mean a laptop equipped with an HD-SDI interface and doing the Cineform compression software only? I guess this would have to be a quite powerful laptop then... but could work!

This looks quite promising:
http://www.vydeo.com/products/EC34.html

Using this with a powerful enough notebook to directly capture to Cineform from HD-SDI. However the question would be: price of notebook+HDSDI vs. price of standalone HDSDI cineform capture device (to my understanding this is in the works?)

David Ziegelheim · August 3rd, 2006, 08:52 PM

My plans are to build a PC. Right now you can get Core 2 Duo processors for under $400, 750GM disks for around $400. Add a motherboard, memory, video card (nothing really that special), a capture card. If you need RAID 0 its not really a problem, since all of the high end motherboards (I would use a DFI) have RAID on board. For a case I would use an Antec LanBoy, which is lightweight and compact all aluminum, and even comes with a carrying strap (intended to go to LAN parties.) You will also need a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. It would be nice if DVRack worked with the capture cars, but I don't think it does. Does the Canon remote control software work with the capture cards?

July 29th, 2006, 12:51 PM	#1
Jack Jenkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 122	Portable solution for that amazing SDI out? Anything in the works thats portable that can suck up the uncompressed stuff? (firestore on steroids? smart, really fast hard drive?)

July 31st, 2006, 03:39 PM	#2
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	We're all looking bro. Perhaps Canon would like to come out with their own product so they could sell a few cameras... __________________ Michael Struthers www.buzzdigital.com

July 31st, 2006, 03:42 PM	#3
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	FS-4 Pro HD? __________________ Michael Struthers www.buzzdigital.com

July 31st, 2006, 10:08 PM	#5
Jack Jenkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 122	mini raid What about some sort of intelligent enclosure, housing 2 drives (LACIE makes a terrabytye drive that is essentially 2 500 gb drives hooked together, kind of a mini raid, all you really need is 2)? On that note, it seems like they could even make a raid from the tiny firestore drives, it would be a little brick, and it wouldn't be as stealthy as the normal firestore but it beats dragging a full-size raid around or a laptop or both.

August 1st, 2006, 07:12 AM	#10
Nick Hiltgen Trustee Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 1,427	Cengiz HD-SDI isn't a format it's a transfer medium, like fibercable or firewire. Or to eb more specific the interface is that way. It's kinda like a spicket to a hose, this spicket allows for a lot of water (information) to get through the hose (cable) so that there is more to work with on the other end. oh, even better, firewire is kinda like the spicket running to your garden hose, HD-SDI is like a fire hydrant.. does that make any sense? If you have a capture card with an HD-SdI port then you can take the information directly uncompressed intio your computer but it will be a lot easier to work with if you have a little bit of compression (like cineform or dvcprohd or whatever). __________________ I have a dream that one day canon will release a 35mm ef to xl adapter and I'll have iris control and a 35mm dof of all my ef lenses, and it will be awesome...

July 31st, 2006, 10:10 PM	#6
Jack Jenkins Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 122	yeah, the um HDW250 is um $42000 retail. uh-huh....

August 1st, 2006, 05:50 AM	#7
Dylan Pank Major Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Portsmouth, UK Posts: 611	you could rent it?

August 1st, 2006, 06:13 AM	#8
Cengiz Ozgok Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Delfzijl-Netherlands Posts: 33	Can somebody tell me what HD-SDI means Standard - Definition - ........ And what is so special of this format ? Does it means you can shoot uncompressed so outher solution for Mpeg2 or DVpro ?? Can FCP-5 work with HD-SDI ?? Thanks anyway

August 1st, 2006, 06:58 AM	#9
James Lundy Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Lothian - Bonnie Scotland Posts: 51	High Definition - Serial Digital Interface. :)

August 1st, 2006, 08:30 AM	#11
Jeff Krepner Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Timonium, MD Posts: 142	I'd venture to guess someone (someday) can come up with a portable raid device using those new SAS, Serial Attached Scsi, drives that have rotational speeds up to 15K and are only 1" thick. Two of those could fit in something about the size of a firestore and would still be cheaper than P2 cards. (I guess)

August 2nd, 2006, 09:24 PM	#12
Mathieu Kassovitz Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: paris Posts: 289	Using a simple laptop like a tablet PC? As Cineform RAW since it is available now from the Silicon Imaging offer?

August 3rd, 2006, 01:14 AM	#13
Soeren Mueller Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Düsseldorf, Germany / Denver, CO Posts: 137	Mathieu, did you mean a laptop equipped with an HD-SDI interface and doing the Cineform compression software only? I guess this would have to be a quite powerful laptop then... but could work! This looks quite promising: http://www.vydeo.com/products/EC34.html Using this with a powerful enough notebook to directly capture to Cineform from HD-SDI. However the question would be: price of notebook+HDSDI vs. price of standalone HDSDI cineform capture device (to my understanding this is in the works?)

August 3rd, 2006, 08:52 PM	#14
David Ziegelheim Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warren, NJ Posts: 398	My plans are to build a PC. Right now you can get Core 2 Duo processors for under $400, 750GM disks for around $400. Add a motherboard, memory, video card (nothing really that special), a capture card. If you need RAID 0 its not really a problem, since all of the high end motherboards (I would use a DFI) have RAID on board. For a case I would use an Antec LanBoy, which is lightweight and compact all aluminum, and even comes with a carrying strap (intended to go to LAN parties.) You will also need a monitor, keyboard, and mouse. It would be nice if DVRack worked with the capture cars, but I don't think it does. Does the Canon remote control software work with the capture cards?