Canon unveils the XHG1 and XHA1

Mike Tesh · July 26th, 2006, 01:28 PM

What is the lens range in relation to a 35mm equivalent?

[EDIT]
Ok the lens range is
32.5mm – 650mm (35mm equivalent)
Would have been nice if they could have at least hit 28mm on the wide end. Most cameras lack a good wide angle. But I guess this is pretty close.

Pete Bauer · July 26th, 2006, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston

The only difference that I'm aware of, and Pete Bauer can help is that the XLH1 has a blue backlight while the XL2 and previous models had white backlighting.
-gb-

The XL H1 Mode Select (HD/F1/F2) and DV/HDV 1394 indicator are a bright blue color LED. The round dial LCD is standard wristwatch-greenish backlit, exactly as with previous XL cameras.

Mark Williams · July 26th, 2006, 01:49 PM

Anyone want to venture a guess. Metal or plastic body construction...

Meryem Ersoz · July 26th, 2006, 02:05 PM

the best thing about this new camera release is that my internal conversation about the next camera is OVER! (which leaves a little room to have a much more in-depth internal conversation about what to do about my next editing system!)

things i am no longer thinking:

"...but the zoom on this FX-1 just isn't cutting it!"

"i could get a used Z1 and be using it now instead of waiting"

"the H1 is just too rich for me, and my second cams aren't a good match"

"should i wait for RED. what the heck is RED anyway?"

"as a southpaw, i hate the XL2 form factor, do i want to translate this hatred to an H1 for a lot of money??"

now i don't have this junk in my head! bonus!

Greg Boston · July 26th, 2006, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Bauer

The XL H1 Mode Select (HD/F1/F2) and DV/HDV 1394 indicator are a bright blue color LED. The round dial LCD is standard wristwatch-greenish backlit, exactly as with previous XL cameras.

Thanks for the clarification, Pete. I said white on the earlier models but you're right, it's a greenish background. Gee, how quickly we forget once our cameras are gone. (grin)

-gb-

Tim Le · July 26th, 2006, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Williams

Anyone want to venture a guess. Metal or plastic body construction...

It's probably metal. The lens barrel is definitely metal. It has the same slightly crinkled finish as a Canon L series EF lens.

Chris Hurd · July 26th, 2006, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Tesh

What is the lens range in relation to a 35mm equivalent?

Once again: Here's your XH Series F.A.Q. -- and I'm looking for suggestions as to what else I can add to it.

Heath McKnight · July 26th, 2006, 02:26 PM

Best advice I give to everyone is this:

1. Test as many cameras as possible, see how the image is under different situations (bright/low light, indoors, outdoors, etc.).

2. What features do you need? See which one comes close to addressing what you want out of a camera. If all you're looking for is 24p/f, the HD100 or the Canons may be what you're looking for. Or maybe not, because going to 24p with a Sony is easy.

3. If you need a camera now, buy it now. If you don't, wait.

4. Remember, it's just a tool. Which camera you pick doesn't make a difference if you can or cannot shoot well. When I show a short I did with my DP Jon Fordham, people love it. When I say we shot on the HD10, they're blown away, saying how could we do just a great job? Well, Fordham is a great DP, and understood the camera's strengths and weaknesses. Same with another short film that was shot on an FX1 with CineFrame 24 on. How did we do it with minimal issues with stuttering? We watched out for too much movement, etc.

heath

Scott Webster · July 26th, 2006, 02:53 PM

Can someone remind me, does Canon HDV (not the 24F) playback in the Sony HDV decks?

Great to see the 50i/60i 24/25p can be optioned on the new cameras.

Is that a real iris ring on that lens? (tears of joy)

Does the front mic protrude past the lens?

If you can put HD-SDI on a 7K camera, why can't anyone make a HDV deck with it?

Heath McKnight · July 26th, 2006, 02:54 PM

Sony plays back 60i and I think 30f, but not 24f. I tested it myself, thanks to some footage from Chris Hurd and Barry Green.

heath

Heath McKnight · July 26th, 2006, 02:57 PM

Also, Canon has never made a deck before. When I owned an XL1 years ago, I bought a Sony minidv deck (the tiny one, not the DSR series) to play back and record footage. I always get nervous about tapes in my camera and using it for a deck. I had a disaster after I sold said Sony deck...

heath

Mikko Wilson · July 26th, 2006, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Klatt

How about the weight of these puppies? I am curious to see if I'd be able to use my merlin steadicam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

Someone quoted 2100 to 2200 grams depending on model My conversion says over 4.5 lbs.

2100g is 4.6lb

... And with the Steadicam Merlin able to fly up to 5.5lb, both these cameras will almost certainly fly perfectly. :)

- Mikko

Chris Hurd · July 26th, 2006, 03:24 PM

Mikko why did I know that you'd relate this to the Merlin, ha ha.

Joe Carney · July 26th, 2006, 03:38 PM

Hmmmmm, no component out? bummer (sorry folks, you were having to much fun:).

Heath McKnight · July 26th, 2006, 03:40 PM

I was just wondering that. The XL H1 has HD SDI and Component out.

hwm

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Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Best advice I give to everyone is this: 1. Test as many cameras as possible, see how the image is under different situations (bright/low light, indoors, outdoors, etc.). 2. What features do you need? See which one comes close to addressing what you want out of a camera. If all you're looking for is 24p/f, the HD100 or the Canons may be what you're looking for. Or maybe not, because going to 24p with a Sony is easy. 3. If you need a camera now, buy it now. If you don't, wait. 4. Remember, it's just a tool. Which camera you pick doesn't make a difference if you can or cannot shoot well. When I show a short I did with my DP Jon Fordham, people love it. When I say we shot on the HD10, they're blown away, saying how could we do just a great job? Well, Fordham is a great DP, and understood the camera's strengths and weaknesses. Same with another short film that was shot on an FX1 with CineFrame 24 on. How did we do it with minimal issues with stuttering? We watched out for too much movement, etc. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 26th, 2006, 02:54 PM	#115
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Sony plays back 60i and I think 30f, but not 24f. I tested it myself, thanks to some footage from Chris Hurd and Barry Green. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 26th, 2006, 02:57 PM	#116
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Also, Canon has never made a deck before. When I owned an XL1 years ago, I bought a Sony minidv deck (the tiny one, not the DSR series) to play back and record footage. I always get nervous about tapes in my camera and using it for a deck. I had a disaster after I sold said Sony deck... heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

July 26th, 2006, 02:05 PM	#109
Meryem Ersoz Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boulder, CO Posts: 3,015	the best thing about this new camera release is that my internal conversation about the next camera is OVER! (which leaves a little room to have a much more in-depth internal conversation about what to do about my next editing system!) things i am no longer thinking: "...but the zoom on this FX-1 just isn't cutting it!" "i could get a used Z1 and be using it now instead of waiting" "the H1 is just too rich for me, and my second cams aren't a good match" "should i wait for RED. what the heck is RED anyway?" "as a southpaw, i hate the XL2 form factor, do i want to translate this hatred to an H1 for a lot of money??" now i don't have this junk in my head! bonus!

July 26th, 2006, 02:53 PM	#114
Scott Webster Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 136	Can someone remind me, does Canon HDV (not the 24F) playback in the Sony HDV decks? Great to see the 50i/60i 24/25p can be optioned on the new cameras. Is that a real iris ring on that lens? (tears of joy) Does the front mic protrude past the lens? If you can put HD-SDI on a 7K camera, why can't anyone make a HDV deck with it?

July 26th, 2006, 03:24 PM	#118
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Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Hmmmmm, no component out? bummer (sorry folks, you were having to much fun:). __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

July 26th, 2006, 03:40 PM	#120
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I was just wondering that. The XL H1 has HD SDI and Component out. hwm __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog