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There is no super drug, A1 gets better latitude (one of the fundamentals of image quality) less over saturated colour (another thing that detracts from pro image quality) or better resolution, then some of the cameras listed, and the only thing that it really lacks, apart from one manual control, and level of usability of manual control, is it's sensitivity (left out progressive image, because it depends on the job style). A professional can use it quiet well. It is true that normal one chip cameras are really inferior, because they use an inferior complimentary sensor filter instead. But, the A1 and HC1 use a RGB/Bayer filter (forget exactly which one) which are good enough for Cinema cameras, and professional still cameras, delivering color accuracy close to 3 chip, and not suffering too much in resolution, normally, then how can we say it suddenly that much less than 3 chip. Still all prosumer HD, still all recent, still all the realm of comparison. We are talking about companies upping the price of HD here, how can we, unless we compare what has been released before. The HC1 is so close behind, and the JVC is just another prosumer camera. If Canon could offer true full resolution 24/25 progressive then that would be the biggest thing for the Canon A1 (and one of the reasons I did not buy a Sony A1). But the pricing, please, for the baby cameras no more than $3K guys, actually, preferably, starting at under $2K street guys. And upping the price of top prosumer cameras, please no more than $5-6K, under 4K street preferably, unless you are going to give us a better codec with full manual lens/shutter/exposure controls. Where ever prosumer, or baby prosumer, still prosumer. |
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Wayne, sorry I can't agree with you. Just a couple years ago, miniDV cameras of that form factor had MSRP's approaching $3000 US. You can make all the speculative technical apples-to-oranges analyses you want -- and seem to be very persistent in doing so -- but it won't change the fact that in today's marketplace, these cameras (including the XH's) are priced competitively. I think it is amazing that by year's end we will be able to buy a camera with 1.67MP chips, 20x L-glass, 24fps recorded to tape as 24fps, deep image control features, and a lot more for under $4000 US. Sure, I'd like to get one cheaper -- better yet, free! -- but that ain't reality. If you're one of the few who feel that none of these new relatively low cost HD cameras are worth their price, maybe you should shop for a Viper or something. But there is no point to trying every which way to argue that the manufacturers should halve their prices just because you wish it. Let's return to discussing the XH cameras themselves.
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Fact is, the sub $10K cameras are not even close to being consumer cameras any way.
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Build quality...Plastic or Magnesium?
Has anyone seen any mention as to the camcoders build? Is it plastic or magnesium body like the Sony's cameras?
Canon makes great optics, but seems so skimp on the housing, making it more plastic, as opposed to Sony's strong magnesium body's on their cameras. |
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6 years ago, some guy around my age that worked with me at a TV station that did BetaSP (we were both editors though on weekends, I'd shoot some stringer stuff exclusively for them with the XL1) and he was always determined to undermine me everywhere I went with my XL1. I'd talk about my movie, shooting stuff, etc., all with the XL1, and he'd walk buy, interrupt and say, "Prosumer." It made him look foolish and irritated me.
One day, I shot some stuff for the TV station with the XL1, dubbed it to BetaSP and handed it to him to edit. He didn't say anything about the footage, so I asked if I shot it okay and he said yeah, looked good. I told him it was the XL1 and he flipped. Never said "prosumer" again. hwm
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Is it time to resurrect this year-old thread? I suggest those of you who are fed up with the word "prosumer" read that thread and post to it if you're interested.
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On the inaccuracies, I am comparing the rising price of fruit, not apples and oranges. You can pay the grocery what ever you like, but the only reality is that he charges a profit between what it is made and supplied for and what people are willing to pay. I really need to make a doco on that. And that is all it was about, all the other stuff was a side track from the issue. Sorry for my statements, their is always somebody trying to peddle unreal stuff to me. Effective logical argument is the only thing to do, but our species seem far to fallible to do it, but not to argue ;). Now I'd better quit and get out of here, as originally planned (I want my freedom....). |
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Simply, the human eye does not discern detail in that way. So any loss of resolution that frame mode may introduce really is not noticable. |
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Sorry about the baby stuff Chris, not meant that way, but bottom line of semi-professional camera ranges, in reference to the baby carrots still being carrots. The other word is the de-facto standard terminology for crossover cameras often targeted at both high end consumers and low end professionals, often with features from both worlds. I fully support cameras with increased pro quality instead. And, I don't care if anybody tells me pro......, it is what you can do with it on a good day. In that way Canon has always been on top. Good luck ;). Disconnecting/unsub, it is nearly 4 am. |
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I love the way Canon works. They never make a fuss about non-working prototypes.
These cameras look very interesting if you want a tricked out fixed lens camera on a budget or if you need (for some odd reason) a compact camera with HD-SDI and Genlock. It seems it could be the end of Z1 sales too. Sony better come up with something new fast. |
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I hope I haven’t opened a can of worms, but you brought it up :) Last edited by Michael Maier; July 31st, 2006 at 10:16 AM. |
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