Xf100 vs canon xha1 at DVinfo.net

Anthony Mozora · January 9th, 2011, 02:39 AM

hello there...

I am looking forward to replace my canon xha1 with an XF100 and I would like to ask your opinion about this comparison...

what are the prons and negative between this cameras.

i will use it mostly on wedding videography as a backup camera, on multishootings and sometimes on my 8meter jib

I would love to buy the XF300 but it is out of my budget at the moment .

thank u in advance.

Renny Hayes · January 11th, 2011, 07:05 PM

Make a choice that suits your needs, not the needs of some other guy who made the decision under entirely different circumstances. I don't mean to make this too black and white, but here's the basic rundown.

With an XF100, you lose:

3-ring lens
Some physical controls
20x zoom
3CCD (may be good or bad)

You gain:
50mbps 4:2:2 codec
1CMOS (this may be a serious con if you can't deal with skew)
Relay recording
Better monitor/viewfinder with waveform

Obviously, there are move differences than that, but if you aren't suffering from the use of your A1, and don't need the codec, relay recording, or display enhancements, or any of the other little things, then there's no reason to upgrade.

To be fair, I own neither camera. I'm a data-miner, so this is more of a collection of thoughts from elsewhere than a personal opinion. Just consider that you will be spending additional money on the XF100, but only you can decide if it's going to be worth it.

Anthony Mozora · January 12th, 2011, 07:46 AM

Thank u for the reply Renny!

here how its goes...

I have 2 canon xah1. I will sold them later this week

I have desided to go for an EX1R and cause I can not buy 2 of them i Need a cheaper second camera..

XF100 is not in my options anymore. I will try to increese my budget a bit and go for an AX2000 or an NX5

EX1 and one of them (AX2000 OR NX5 ) will be a great tag team

Steve Wolla · January 13th, 2011, 08:41 PM

Why not just get a pair of NX5's then--that would be an easier deal to work with in post, as you don't have to mix codecs, and possibly experience long rebdering times as a result. Unless you really need the little extra dof control that the EX1R brings to the table.

Anthony Mozora · January 19th, 2011, 12:37 AM

Why not just get a pair of NX5's then--that would be an easier deal to work with in post, as you don't have to mix codecs, and possibly experience long rebdering times as a result. Unless you really need the little extra dof control that the EX1R brings to the table.

u have right , + it will cost me cheaper.

I have placed my order for the nx5, I still didnt havent desided 100% for going to the ex1r for the above reason..

I do like the 1/2 censor of the ex1r and the dof control that brings . I will w8 for the NX5 to arrive and then continue ordering the other camera. the other option is buy the AX2000 wich it have the same codec like the nx5 and picture quality and save the extra money for the nxcam s35 next summer (which will be better for me i guess)

Buba Kastorski · January 21st, 2011, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Mozora

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u have right , + it will cost me cheaper.

but it won't be the same image my friend, if you shoot weddings you know how important is low light ability of the camera, because as a rule, 80% of the event is an indoor shooting;
I would buy EX1/r (because it was just made for event videographers) as a main camera, and use DSLR as a second camera for creative shots, or if it has to be a camcorder, I would wait and see how XA10 stands against XF100 and made my decision, well, actually that's what I'm doing, I'm getting either one, depending on the side by side results,
best.

Anthony Mozora · January 21st, 2011, 11:06 AM

U have a point Buda ,

if i could , i was going to buy the ex1r and have my 5d for creative shots, but most my wedding projects are multicamera shootings and I can not afford buying 2 x ex1r .

ps: maybe ill be lucky and find a good used ex1 . I still have time for searching around the net :)

Buba Kastorski · January 21st, 2011, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Mozora

U have a point Buda ,

if i could , i was going to buy the ex1r and have my 5d for creative shots, but most my wedding projects are multicamera shootings and I can not afford buying 2 x ex1r .
ps: maybe ill be lucky and find a good used ex1 . I still have time for searching around the net :)

oh yeah,
today you can find EX1 used less than 100 Hrs for as little as $4500, and btw I wouldn't buy 2 EX1 for weddings, I want that DSLRs DOF for my creative shots; for my videos I use one EX1 and three DSLRs - 1/5/7D; it is surprising how cinematic and entertaining , when shot with three cameras, the most boring part of any wedding video (speeches) can be :)

Anthony Mozora · March 20th, 2011, 11:25 AM

hello there again, I would like to know which is better in low light terms

XF100 VS CANON XHA1

any help?

Lou Bruno · March 22nd, 2011, 06:26 PM

Kevin Lewis · March 31st, 2011, 07:24 AM

The xf100 seems to maintain better color as you add additional gain.

Jimmy Toha · April 14th, 2011, 06:03 AM

Thanks for sharing that video, Lou!

Wow Canon XH-A1 still maintains the image quality pretty well even at high gain. Not too much grain, although I agree with Kevin that XF300 produces a more consistent color throughout the entire gain range.

The only downside to the former is probably the fact that it's still tape-based and you need to spend at least $600 to get a tapeless solution. Otherwise, the XH-A1 still holds its own despite the age.

January 9th, 2011, 02:39 AM	#1
Anthony Mozora Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cyprus Posts: 152	Xf100 vs canon xha1 hello there... I am looking forward to replace my canon xha1 with an XF100 and I would like to ask your opinion about this comparison... what are the prons and negative between this cameras. i will use it mostly on wedding videography as a backup camera, on multishootings and sometimes on my 8meter jib I would love to buy the XF300 but it is out of my budget at the moment . thank u in advance.

March 20th, 2011, 11:25 AM	#9
Anthony Mozora Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cyprus Posts: 152	Re: Xf100 vs canon xha1 hello there again, I would like to know which is better in low light terms XF100 VS CANON XHA1 any help?

March 22nd, 2011, 06:26 PM	#10
Lou Bruno Go Cycle Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntington, NY Posts: 815	Re: Xf100 vs canon xha1 XF300 vs. XH-A1 Lowlight/Gain Test on Vimeo __________________ Lou Bruno

March 31st, 2011, 07:24 AM	#11
Kevin Lewis Major Player Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Philadelphia, pa Posts: 705	Re: Xf100 vs canon xha1 The xf100 seems to maintain better color as you add additional gain.

April 14th, 2011, 06:03 AM	#12
Jimmy Toha Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 59	Re: Xf100 vs canon xha1 Thanks for sharing that video, Lou! Wow Canon XH-A1 still maintains the image quality pretty well even at high gain. Not too much grain, although I agree with Kevin that XF300 produces a more consistent color throughout the entire gain range. The only downside to the former is probably the fact that it's still tape-based and you need to spend at least $600 to get a tapeless solution. Otherwise, the XH-A1 still holds its own despite the age.

January 11th, 2011, 07:05 PM	#2
Renny Hayes Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 26	Make a choice that suits your needs, not the needs of some other guy who made the decision under entirely different circumstances. I don't mean to make this too black and white, but here's the basic rundown. With an XF100, you lose: 3-ring lens Some physical controls 20x zoom 3CCD (may be good or bad) You gain: 50mbps 4:2:2 codec 1CMOS (this may be a serious con if you can't deal with skew) Relay recording Better monitor/viewfinder with waveform Obviously, there are move differences than that, but if you aren't suffering from the use of your A1, and don't need the codec, relay recording, or display enhancements, or any of the other little things, then there's no reason to upgrade. To be fair, I own neither camera. I'm a data-miner, so this is more of a collection of thoughts from elsewhere than a personal opinion. Just consider that you will be spending additional money on the XF100, but only you can decide if it's going to be worth it.

January 12th, 2011, 07:46 AM	#3
Anthony Mozora Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cyprus Posts: 152	Thank u for the reply Renny! here how its goes... I have 2 canon xah1. I will sold them later this week I have desided to go for an EX1R and cause I can not buy 2 of them i Need a cheaper second camera.. XF100 is not in my options anymore. I will try to increese my budget a bit and go for an AX2000 or an NX5 EX1 and one of them (AX2000 OR NX5 ) will be a great tag team

January 13th, 2011, 08:41 PM	#4
Steve Wolla Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 477	Why not just get a pair of NX5's then--that would be an easier deal to work with in post, as you don't have to mix codecs, and possibly experience long rebdering times as a result. Unless you really need the little extra dof control that the EX1R brings to the table.

January 19th, 2011, 12:37 AM	#5
Anthony Mozora Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cyprus Posts: 152	Why not just get a pair of NX5's then--that would be an easier deal to work with in post, as you don't have to mix codecs, and possibly experience long rebdering times as a result. Unless you really need the little extra dof control that the EX1R brings to the table. u have right , + it will cost me cheaper. I have placed my order for the nx5, I still didnt havent desided 100% for going to the ex1r for the above reason.. I do like the 1/2 censor of the ex1r and the dof control that brings . I will w8 for the NX5 to arrive and then continue ordering the other camera. the other option is buy the AX2000 wich it have the same codec like the nx5 and picture quality and save the extra money for the nxcam s35 next summer (which will be better for me i guess)

January 21st, 2011, 11:06 AM	#7
Anthony Mozora Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Cyprus Posts: 152	U have a point Buda , if i could , i was going to buy the ex1r and have my 5d for creative shots, but most my wedding projects are multicamera shootings and I can not afford buying 2 x ex1r . ps: maybe ill be lucky and find a good used ex1 . I still have time for searching around the net :)