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Dominik Brandys · December 24th, 2010, 07:02 PM

im using my canon xh a1 right now and i want to film a sunset but i have a question.
1.what settings do i use to make my camera see what my eye see's
2.How do i bring out the colors in my canon? presets?
btw i have the default settings on and the colors seem faded
ty

Les Wilson · December 24th, 2010, 10:19 PM

Look in the Custom Presets threads here on DVInfo for one named VividRGB. Give that one a try.

David Rice · December 25th, 2010, 04:34 PM

VividRGB works great for me. It's the only Preset I use.

John Kilderry · December 25th, 2010, 07:49 PM

I'm a Panavision fan myself. The presets are a lot of fun and really make a difference. They sometimes pose problems with color correction or "Looks," but if you're not into that they are a big improvement over the stock setting.

Allan Black · December 25th, 2010, 09:59 PM

Bit O/T but .. it depends on the age of your A1, the first factory releases were 'flat' colours and ppl complained.

That's why the A1 custom presets got going in such a big way by folk who knew what they were doing. Later releases of the A1 had 'better' factory presets again but the CPs were/are well established and ppl have their favourites. ,

The last in the range, the A1s is better again with further improvements that make it worthwhile to look for. It and the HV40 are also the last DV tape cams from Canon.

I use mostly VIVIDRGB too, I can archive material to pull out for future programs with the 'same' look. With sunsets etc. a lot of ppl shoot factory flat and colour correct in post. Your call.

btw I watched an old Panasonic show I produced recently and it's rekindled my love for the Pana look .. I'm watching the AF100 closely.

Cheers.

David Rice · December 26th, 2010, 08:25 AM

I'm curious....

How does a person determine or judge the color quality of another persons camera?

If I am standing in a field of golden grain video taping a red car. How does another person determine after viewing the footage later, whether the colors are right? In the outdoors light. colors, and contrasts change minute by minute. So unless a person was right there, at that same time, how can a person make a call about the color accuracy of the camera?

I'm curious. What's the formula for making the determination whether the colors were accurate or not?

In a controlled indoor shoot I can understand. But outside?

Just curious.

Allan Black · December 26th, 2010, 07:17 PM

My 2c and way O/T :) David the point is whether the viewer accepts what they see .. or not. imo getting bogged down in tech details like color accuracy, means you're not appreciating or understanding the overall story.

An example is the artist Monets series of paintings of haystacks, each one painted at a different time of day .. with the light changing minute by minute.

No one ever questions whether his colours are accurate or not, not because we weren't there to see the actual colors .. but because we accept that each painting is Monets interpretation of the haystack, colours and all.

Cheers.

Galen Rath · December 27th, 2010, 12:33 AM

I don't want to the colors that my eye sees on the day of the wedding, those are pretty dreary. I want the "inaccurate" colors that the photographer cranks out and gets paid $9000 for.

December 24th, 2010, 07:02 PM	#1
Dominik Brandys New Boot Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Langley WA Posts: 14	faded colors im using my canon xh a1 right now and i want to film a sunset but i have a question. 1.what settings do i use to make my camera see what my eye see's 2.How do i bring out the colors in my canon? presets? btw i have the default settings on and the colors seem faded ty

December 25th, 2010, 04:34 PM	#3
David Rice Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sitka Alaska Posts: 470	VividRGB works great for me. It's the only Preset I use. Moon Rising over New Archangel on Vimeo

December 25th, 2010, 07:49 PM	#4
John Kilderry Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Brevard, Florida Posts: 77	I'm a Panavision fan myself. The presets are a lot of fun and really make a difference. They sometimes pose problems with color correction or "Looks," but if you're not into that they are a big improvement over the stock setting. __________________ Beer is cheaper than therapy.

December 25th, 2010, 09:59 PM	#5
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,926	Bit O/T but .. it depends on the age of your A1, the first factory releases were 'flat' colours and ppl complained. That's why the A1 custom presets got going in such a big way by folk who knew what they were doing. Later releases of the A1 had 'better' factory presets again but the CPs were/are well established and ppl have their favourites. , The last in the range, the A1s is better again with further improvements that make it worthwhile to look for. It and the HV40 are also the last DV tape cams from Canon. I use mostly VIVIDRGB too, I can archive material to pull out for future programs with the 'same' look. With sunsets etc. a lot of ppl shoot factory flat and colour correct in post. Your call. btw I watched an old Panasonic show I produced recently and it's rekindled my love for the Pana look .. I'm watching the AF100 closely. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

December 26th, 2010, 07:17 PM	#7
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,926	My 2c and way O/T :) David the point is whether the viewer accepts what they see .. or not. imo getting bogged down in tech details like color accuracy, means you're not appreciating or understanding the overall story. An example is the artist Monets series of paintings of haystacks, each one painted at a different time of day .. with the light changing minute by minute. No one ever questions whether his colours are accurate or not, not because we weren't there to see the actual colors .. but because we accept that each painting is Monets interpretation of the haystack, colours and all. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

December 24th, 2010, 10:19 PM	#2
Les Wilson Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 3,014	Look in the Custom Presets threads here on DVInfo for one named VividRGB. Give that one a try.

December 26th, 2010, 08:25 AM	#6
David Rice Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sitka Alaska Posts: 470	I'm curious.... How does a person determine or judge the color quality of another persons camera? If I am standing in a field of golden grain video taping a red car. How does another person determine after viewing the footage later, whether the colors are right? In the outdoors light. colors, and contrasts change minute by minute. So unless a person was right there, at that same time, how can a person make a call about the color accuracy of the camera? I'm curious. What's the formula for making the determination whether the colors were accurate or not? In a controlled indoor shoot I can understand. But outside? Just curious.

December 27th, 2010, 12:33 AM	#8
Galen Rath Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 323	I don't want to the colors that my eye sees on the day of the wedding, those are pretty dreary. I want the "inaccurate" colors that the photographer cranks out and gets paid $9000 for.