XH A1 needs gain even with controlled light? at DVinfo.net
DV Info Net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon HDV and DV Camera Systems > Canon XH Series HDV Camcorders
Register FAQ Today's Posts Buyer's Guides

Canon XH Series HDV Camcorders
Canon XH G1S / G1 (with SDI), Canon XH A1S / A1 (without SDI).

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old May 6th, 2010, 10:59 PM   #1
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 59
XH A1 needs gain even with controlled light?

Hi everyone,

I had a few shoots recently, and I had to crank the gain up maybe to +3db to get a reasonable image.

Is it normal? And, in that gig, we had good lighting : 2x 650w fresnel for backlight, 2x650w fresnel for fill and 2x1kw bounced for key.

My friend with his Sony FX1 had no problem at all, and my XH A1 was having an hard time.. even with the colors, it was not so great.

I was using almost a default preset..
__________________
http://www.EDPimagerie.com
Canon XH A1 - Rode NTG-2 - Canon 7D - 8" HD - 50mm f1.4 - 11-16mm f2.8 - 70-200 f4L
Etienne Didelot-Pothier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 7th, 2010, 02:49 AM   #2
New Boot
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sutton Coldfield UK
Posts: 17
Have you made the mistake I occasionally make and have the ND filter engaged? I need the ND filter on a bright day and often forget to switch it out when finished.

Cheers Alan.
Alan R. Moore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 7th, 2010, 04:32 AM   #3
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Virgo Supercluster
Posts: 83
Definitely not normal. My guess would be the ND filter as well...
Hameed Aabid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 7th, 2010, 09:46 AM   #4
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 59
Yeah, would have been stupid, but nope.. it was off.
__________________
http://www.EDPimagerie.com
Canon XH A1 - Rode NTG-2 - Canon 7D - 8" HD - 50mm f1.4 - 11-16mm f2.8 - 70-200 f4L
Etienne Didelot-Pothier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 7th, 2010, 12:48 PM   #5
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Makati, Metro Manila
Posts: 2,706
Images: 32
I'd also try restoring all the default settings, just so you have a baseline to work from. There's an option for this in the menus.

What mode were you shooting in? What were your aperture and shutter settings? How is your white balance being set?
Michael Wisniewski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 7th, 2010, 10:36 PM   #6
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 59
I was fully manual, HDV 30F, 1/30 and around F2.4.

My partner with his FX1 had 1/30 (or 1/60 cant recall) and F3.8 i think.. and they barely matched (I was a bit underexposed with my XH A1...)
__________________
http://www.EDPimagerie.com
Canon XH A1 - Rode NTG-2 - Canon 7D - 8" HD - 50mm f1.4 - 11-16mm f2.8 - 70-200 f4L
Etienne Didelot-Pothier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 8th, 2010, 06:13 AM   #7
Wrangler
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 4,488
Not knowing the details of the venue or the scene, it does not sound normal with that amount of light for "average" conditions.

Can you read the camcorder setting off the tape?
__________________
dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com
Don Palomaki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 8th, 2010, 06:27 AM   #8
New Boot
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sutton Coldfield UK
Posts: 17
With that amount of light I usually end up with minus 3 gain at about 5.6 aperture 1/50th shutter, with the lights about 8 feet away. Something odd here , are you sure the ND switch is not engaged?

Alan.
Alan R. Moore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 8th, 2010, 06:22 PM   #9
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 59
ND was not engaged.. I just checked.

And, I was doing some pictures with my Nikon D300 photo camera, I was using settings like : 1800ISO, 1/100th and F3.6

Also, I find that anything more than 1000ISO is huuuge for that king of lighthing..

I could bring the camera to a retailer to have her checked..what do you think?
__________________
http://www.EDPimagerie.com
Canon XH A1 - Rode NTG-2 - Canon 7D - 8" HD - 50mm f1.4 - 11-16mm f2.8 - 70-200 f4L
Etienne Didelot-Pothier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 10th, 2010, 06:18 AM   #10
New Boot
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Sutton Coldfield UK
Posts: 17
Retailers are not usually very bright. Do you know anyone local you could do a side by side shoot with?

Alan
Alan R. Moore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 10th, 2010, 09:28 AM   #11
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 59
You mean, also with his XH A1 to compare?

Yeah, that would be a solution. I don't really know anyone who owns this camera..
__________________
http://www.EDPimagerie.com
Canon XH A1 - Rode NTG-2 - Canon 7D - 8" HD - 50mm f1.4 - 11-16mm f2.8 - 70-200 f4L
Etienne Didelot-Pothier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 10th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #12
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 58
I had a similar experience last week. I was on b-roll with my xha1s, and the lead cameras were sony xdcam's. My exposure was about 3 stops under exposed in the controlled lighting setup. Don't recall the lighting specs though. f1/6, -3b, 60i, 1/60 where the xha1s settings.

I tested out my 7d in the same lighting as above, f4, 500iso, 30p, 1/60, and had great exposure. My personal experience with this camera is that it's a major light hog.
Sylus Harrington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 10th, 2010, 03:21 PM   #13
Regular Crew
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Posts: 59
Yeah.. maybe..
__________________
http://www.EDPimagerie.com
Canon XH A1 - Rode NTG-2 - Canon 7D - 8" HD - 50mm f1.4 - 11-16mm f2.8 - 70-200 f4L
Etienne Didelot-Pothier is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY USA

Scan Computers Int. Ltd.
+44 0871-472-4747
Bolton, Lancashire UK


DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Canon EOS / MXF / AVCHD / HDV / DV Camera Systems > Canon HDV and DV Camera Systems > Canon XH Series HDV Camcorders


 



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:36 AM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2024 The Digital Video Information Network