Shooting in 24f HD newbie question at DVinfo.net

Syed Imtiaz · June 26th, 2009, 09:29 AM

Hello All,
I tried to find some information via Search regarding shooting 24f HD but couldn't find what I was looking for. My issue is that I was trying to shoot in 24F HD and I noticed in LCD that my video looked as it was segmented or sort of slow motion effect. It's little hard to explain. The footage didn't seem smooth at all while panning or zooming. I played it back to see if it was any different but it didn't seem any difference. What am I doing wrong?
I switched back to 60i and everything seemed and recorded fine. I read the manual and perhaps I missed some settings can someone help with this please?
Thanks in advance.
Syed

P.S I have XHA1s if you are wondering.

Marcel D. Van Someren · June 26th, 2009, 09:57 AM

It's perfectly normal for the LCD to look a little choppy when shooting at 24F or even 30F. However, if the actuall footage looks choppy, then it's probably because you didn't turn off OIS. This should only be turned on during hand-held operation, not on a tripod.

Remember though, that part of the "film look" is a result of the blurriness when panning the camera at moderate of fast speeds. Watch any movie and you will see that. 24F looks the same way.

Take a look at this video I shot in 24F...especially the jousting where I pan quickly to follow the horses and the riders. you'll notice that same kind of blurriness you see in film.

Renaissance Pleasure Faire - XH-A1 Test Footage By Marcel Van Someren On ExposureRoom

Syed Imtiaz · June 26th, 2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcel D. Van Someren

It's perfectly normal for the LCD to look a little choppy when shooting at 24F or even 30F. However, if the actuall footage looks choppy, then it's probably because you didn't turn off OIS. This should only be turned on during hand-held operation, not on a tripod.

Remember though, that part of the "film look" is a result of the blurriness when panning the camera at moderate of fast speeds. Watch any movie and you will see that. 24F looks the same way.

Take a look at this video I shot in 24F...especially the jousting where I pan quickly to follow the horses and the riders. you'll notice that same kind of blurriness you see in film.

Renaissance Pleasure Faire - XH-A1 Test Footage By Marcel Van Someren On ExposureRoom

Thanks for your input and like to you video. I shoot on shoulder mount not tripod, and some of the footage was dancing etc I heard that 24F is not well suited for sports/dancing or fast moving scenes; is this correct?
I also didn't upload the footage to my computer yet since I just shot it last night, I'll review it on PC and see how choppy the actual footage is.

Marcel D. Van Someren · June 26th, 2009, 10:56 AM

24F is not the best for fast moving footage, but then again, you do see sports and dancing in film all the time. You just have to understand that it won't be as smooth. You can increase your shutter speed to get less blurring, but it still won't be as smooth as 60i.

Personally, I don't use OIS even for hand-held shots. With practice, you learn to stabilize the camera with how you breath and walk. Then you don't have to worry about your video getting choppy if you pan quickly because of OIS.

Joel Peregrine · June 26th, 2009, 11:00 AM

The frame rate is a completely personal decision. All modes have different looks and their own sets of pros and cons. On top of that what may be a pro to one person can be a con to another. For example a lot of people like the way 60i handles motion, while others like the blurred movement of progressive. The best way to decide is to shoot tests, document the settings along the way and watch the results on a monitor you expect the end viewer to have.

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Originally Posted by Syed Imtiaz

Thanks for your input and like to you video. I shoot on shoulder mount not tripod, and some of the footage was dancing etc I heard that 24F is not well suited for sports/dancing or fast moving scenes; is this correct?
I also didn't upload the footage to my computer yet since I just shot it last night, I'll review it on PC and see how choppy the actual footage is.

Taky Cheung · June 26th, 2009, 11:40 AM

You have to be very careful in panning and zooming, and motion in shooting 24F. 24F is also not good for making slow motion too.

Syed Imtiaz · June 26th, 2009, 11:41 AM

I've been shooting SD for 7-8 years with GL series, I am new to HD and trying to get better grip on this as I go. I guess I'll keep it on 60i for most of my shootings and just play around with 24F for test shots here and there and learn as I go.
Thanks

Ken Wozniak · June 26th, 2009, 01:29 PM

Syed,

Make sure you shoot in "Tv" mode, or at least a mode which allows you to control your shutter speed. I recall my camera defaulting to 1/24 shutter speed when switching to 24F mode. Set the shutter to 1/48 and lock it there for 24F mode.

Syed Imtiaz · June 26th, 2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Wozniak

Syed,

Make sure you shoot in "Tv" mode, or at least a mode which allows you to control your shutter speed. I recall my camera defaulting to 1/24 shutter speed when switching to 24F mode. Set the shutter to 1/48 and lock it there for 24F mode.

Ken, I didn't try TV mode yet as I was shooting Auto. I'll try the TV mode and set the shutter as you stated. I'll let you guys know the outcome. I wanted to get more familiar with the camera first before I start manual or other cool stuff.
I am also into photography and use Nikon D300 where I shoot mostly manual where I play with white balance, shutter speed, aperture and DoF. I guess w/time I'll be able to play in Manual mode with XHA1s :)
thanks

June 26th, 2009, 09:29 AM	#1
Syed Imtiaz New Boot Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Springfield, Virginia Posts: 15	Shooting in 24f HD newbie question Hello All, I tried to find some information via Search regarding shooting 24f HD but couldn't find what I was looking for. My issue is that I was trying to shoot in 24F HD and I noticed in LCD that my video looked as it was segmented or sort of slow motion effect. It's little hard to explain. The footage didn't seem smooth at all while panning or zooming. I played it back to see if it was any different but it didn't seem any difference. What am I doing wrong? I switched back to 60i and everything seemed and recorded fine. I read the manual and perhaps I missed some settings can someone help with this please? Thanks in advance. Syed P.S I have XHA1s if you are wondering.

June 26th, 2009, 09:57 AM	#2
Marcel D. Van Someren Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 325	It's perfectly normal for the LCD to look a little choppy when shooting at 24F or even 30F. However, if the actuall footage looks choppy, then it's probably because you didn't turn off OIS. This should only be turned on during hand-held operation, not on a tripod. Remember though, that part of the "film look" is a result of the blurriness when panning the camera at moderate of fast speeds. Watch any movie and you will see that. 24F looks the same way. Take a look at this video I shot in 24F...especially the jousting where I pan quickly to follow the horses and the riders. you'll notice that same kind of blurriness you see in film. Renaissance Pleasure Faire - XH-A1 Test Footage By Marcel Van Someren On ExposureRoom __________________ _______________________________________________________________________ Canon XHA1 * SGBlade 35mm adapter -RR1, RR2 w/ Optics Upgrade * DIY Mid-Format adapter

June 26th, 2009, 10:56 AM	#4
Marcel D. Van Someren Major Player Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sherman Oaks, CA Posts: 325	24F is not the best for fast moving footage, but then again, you do see sports and dancing in film all the time. You just have to understand that it won't be as smooth. You can increase your shutter speed to get less blurring, but it still won't be as smooth as 60i. Personally, I don't use OIS even for hand-held shots. With practice, you learn to stabilize the camera with how you breath and walk. Then you don't have to worry about your video getting choppy if you pan quickly because of OIS. __________________ _______________________________________________________________________ Canon XHA1 * SGBlade 35mm adapter -RR1, RR2 w/ Optics Upgrade * DIY Mid-Format adapter

June 26th, 2009, 11:40 AM	#6
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	You have to be very careful in panning and zooming, and motion in shooting 24F. 24F is also not good for making slow motion too. __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator

June 26th, 2009, 01:29 PM	#8
Ken Wozniak Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 179	Syed, Make sure you shoot in "Tv" mode, or at least a mode which allows you to control your shutter speed. I recall my camera defaulting to 1/24 shutter speed when switching to 24F mode. Set the shutter to 1/48 and lock it there for 24F mode. __________________ Woz

June 26th, 2009, 11:41 AM	#7
Syed Imtiaz New Boot Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Springfield, Virginia Posts: 15	I've been shooting SD for 7-8 years with GL series, I am new to HD and trying to get better grip on this as I go. I guess I'll keep it on 60i for most of my shootings and just play around with 24F for test shots here and there and learn as I go. Thanks