How to capture when shooting 30P at DVinfo.net

David Morgan · January 18th, 2009, 01:57 PM

I want to shoot High Def. 30 progressive with my A1. What format does this end up being and what would be the capture preset?
Seems that 720P x 30p is the bonafide model for DVC PRO etc. What does this camera shoot when configured for progressive? It can't be 1080p

Michael Hutson · January 18th, 2009, 02:03 PM

As per manual, pg 40:

Records in 30fps, progressive mode and outputs signals converted into 60fps interlaced. Video output from the HDV/DV terminal will be in 30p.

When footage is captured into the editing suite, the editing suite has means to match the project properties with the footage when you click on one of the clips... then you can view the properties.

Hope this helps. Regards,
Michael

David Morgan · January 18th, 2009, 02:26 PM

Well, that's what I'm a little confused about. I see that the camera will deliver 30 P via the firewire port. I read that before I posted. However, since the interlaced format is 1080i @ 60, what then is the line total in progressive? Can't be 1080p 30 right? Can't be 720P. It ain't interlaced so what is it?

Michael Hutson · January 18th, 2009, 03:27 PM

It should be HDV, 720 -30p (1280 x 720)

30f is 30p....it is progress(not interlaced)

I have not shot in 30p.

I recommend shoot footage at 30f, capture it, then use the editing suite to check the properties of the file. (use "Match Media Settings")

I don't know what editting suite you are using.

If using Vegas, on preview window(left side), click project settings button, then click the icon that looks like a folder....that is the match media settings button, then click on one of the clips that you captured and Vegas will match the properties of that clip. Next review the project properties to see the properties of the clip.

I also replied to your work flow question on another thread that you posted on. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-xh-...g-xl1s-a1.html

Hope this helps ya.
Michael

Curt Fargo · January 18th, 2009, 04:10 PM

Shouldn't it be 1080P as it is still 1080 x 1440 and it is Progressive and not Interlaced. I'm a newbie so don't take this as fact.

Michael Hutson · January 18th, 2009, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curt Fargo

Shouldn't it be 1080P as it is still 1080 x 1440 and it is Progressive and not Interlaced. I'm a newbie so don't take this as fact.

I'm not sure Curt...I just know what project properties I have available in Vegas 7. I shoot hd, 60i(I have no reason to shoot in 30p), edit hd, then render to NTCS DVD.

In 1080 HD or HDV, there is no 30fps choices (only 60i, 50i, or 24p) in Vegas 7.

David Morgan · January 18th, 2009, 05:50 PM

Not totally sold on the 720 idea as these cameras don't shoot in 720 nor do I think that de-interlacing 1080i = 720p. since I think that this camera shoots 1400 x 1080i, if u de-interlace and use only 1 field, that would be 700 x 540p. Maybe it's possible that the 2 fields are buffered and combined into 1080p but i don't think so.
Mystery still going?

Maybe it's such that to get a progressive output, the 1080i just has to be converted to 720p x 30f instead.

Curt Fargo · January 18th, 2009, 07:23 PM

Just did some more research and it is definitely 1080p with a frame rate of 30 (aka 1080p30). I have no experience with Vegas (although I have been to Las Vegas more than once) as I am using Final Cut Pro and mine does come in as "HDV 1080p30" and this is what I'm intending to do all my shooting in as my output will be for the web.

Michael Hutson · January 18th, 2009, 07:38 PM

Thanks Curt.

Bryce Comer · January 18th, 2009, 08:04 PM

Hi David,
1080 is the number of vertical pixels layed to tape. With HDV it is 1440 pixels wide x 1080 pixels high. So if you were to film in say 24f, you would end up with 24 full frames for every second shot with each frame having 1440x1080 pixels, if you shoot at 30f, then you end up with 30 full frames per second @ 1440x1080 pixels. If however you shoot in 60i (interlaced) you would end up with 60 frames for every second shot, with each frame being 1440 pixels wide by 540 pixels high. This is displayed as every second row of pixels & alternates at 1/60th of a second.
In order for us to help you out with capturing you really need to tell us what NLE you are trying to capture your 30f footage with as settings will vary for many of the different NLE's out there.
Regards,
Bryce

David Morgan · January 18th, 2009, 08:34 PM

Bryce,
thx for the reply.

I use Final Cut Pro suite 5.1.4 primarily. However, for the HDV exploits, I'm toying around with Vegas 8.
I have an Intel Mac so I can run windows or OSX. I prefer to work with OSX but Vegas seamingly has a straight forward HDV edit/export option.

Bryce Comer · January 18th, 2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Morgan

Bryce,
thx for the reply.

I use Final Cut Pro suite 5.1.4 primarily. However, for the HDV exploits, I've toying around with Vegas 8.
I have an Intel Mac so I can run windows or OSX. I prefer to work with OSX but Vegas seamingly has so straight forward HDV edit/export options.

Ok, i don't use either of those NLE's but just checked the specs for Vegas Pro 8 & it looks like you should be able to import or capture your footage in 30p. As far as FCP goes, i would imagine that will be the same.
Good luck.
Bryce

January 18th, 2009, 01:57 PM	#1
David Morgan Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Burbank CA Posts: 466	How to capture when shooting 30P I want to shoot High Def. 30 progressive with my A1. What format does this end up being and what would be the capture preset? Seems that 720P x 30p is the bonafide model for DVC PRO etc. What does this camera shoot when configured for progressive? It can't be 1080p

January 18th, 2009, 04:10 PM	#5
Curt Fargo Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vacaville, CA USA Posts: 83	Shouldn't it be 1080P as it is still 1080 x 1440 and it is Progressive and not Interlaced. I'm a newbie so don't take this as fact. __________________ Curt Fargo

January 18th, 2009, 05:50 PM	#7
David Morgan Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Burbank CA Posts: 466	Michael, Not totally sold on the 720 idea as these cameras don't shoot in 720 nor do I think that de-interlacing 1080i = 720p. since I think that this camera shoots 1400 x 1080i, if u de-interlace and use only 1 field, that would be 700 x 540p. Maybe it's possible that the 2 fields are buffered and combined into 1080p but i don't think so. Mystery still going? Maybe it's such that to get a progressive output, the 1080i just has to be converted to 720p x 30f instead. Last edited by David Morgan; January 18th, 2009 at 06:41 PM.

January 18th, 2009, 07:23 PM	#8
Curt Fargo Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vacaville, CA USA Posts: 83	Just did some more research and it is definitely 1080p with a frame rate of 30 (aka 1080p30). I have no experience with Vegas (although I have been to Las Vegas more than once) as I am using Final Cut Pro and mine does come in as "HDV 1080p30" and this is what I'm intending to do all my shooting in as my output will be for the web. __________________ Curt Fargo Last edited by Curt Fargo; January 18th, 2009 at 07:25 PM. Reason: Spelling

January 18th, 2009, 08:04 PM	#10
Bryce Comer Trustee Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rossland, British Columbia Posts: 1,024	Hi David, 1080 is the number of vertical pixels layed to tape. With HDV it is 1440 pixels wide x 1080 pixels high. So if you were to film in say 24f, you would end up with 24 full frames for every second shot with each frame having 1440x1080 pixels, if you shoot at 30f, then you end up with 30 full frames per second @ 1440x1080 pixels. If however you shoot in 60i (interlaced) you would end up with 60 frames for every second shot, with each frame being 1440 pixels wide by 540 pixels high. This is displayed as every second row of pixels & alternates at 1/60th of a second. In order for us to help you out with capturing you really need to tell us what NLE you are trying to capture your 30f footage with as settings will vary for many of the different NLE's out there. Regards, Bryce __________________ There's never enough hours in the day!

January 18th, 2009, 02:03 PM	#2
Michael Hutson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 249	As per manual, pg 40: Records in 30fps, progressive mode and outputs signals converted into 60fps interlaced. Video output from the HDV/DV terminal will be in 30p. When footage is captured into the editing suite, the editing suite has means to match the project properties with the footage when you click on one of the clips... then you can view the properties. Hope this helps. Regards, Michael

January 18th, 2009, 02:26 PM	#3
David Morgan Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Burbank CA Posts: 466	Well, that's what I'm a little confused about. I see that the camera will deliver 30 P via the firewire port. I read that before I posted. However, since the interlaced format is 1080i @ 60, what then is the line total in progressive? Can't be 1080p 30 right? Can't be 720P. It ain't interlaced so what is it?

January 18th, 2009, 03:27 PM	#4
Michael Hutson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 249	It should be HDV, 720 -30p (1280 x 720) 30f is 30p....it is progress(not interlaced) I have not shot in 30p. I recommend shoot footage at 30f, capture it, then use the editing suite to check the properties of the file. (use "Match Media Settings") I don't know what editting suite you are using. If using Vegas, on preview window(left side), click project settings button, then click the icon that looks like a folder....that is the match media settings button, then click on one of the clips that you captured and Vegas will match the properties of that clip. Next review the project properties to see the properties of the clip. I also replied to your work flow question on another thread that you posted on. http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-xh-...g-xl1s-a1.html Hope this helps ya. Michael

January 18th, 2009, 07:38 PM	#9
Michael Hutson Major Player Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Elgin, IL Posts: 249	Thanks Curt.

January 18th, 2009, 08:34 PM	#11
David Morgan Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Burbank CA Posts: 466	Bryce, thx for the reply. I use Final Cut Pro suite 5.1.4 primarily. However, for the HDV exploits, I'm toying around with Vegas 8. I have an Intel Mac so I can run windows or OSX. I prefer to work with OSX but Vegas seamingly has a straight forward HDV edit/export option. Last edited by David Morgan; January 19th, 2009 at 09:11 AM.