Which tape to use (revisited)

Bill Busby · September 11th, 2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Allan Black

FINALLY! I now know how to pronounce "videotape" :D

Cynthia Granville · September 15th, 2009, 02:15 AM

just to have updated model info on the forum, panasonic has changed some of the tapes and model numbers (slightly) recently, here's info i received from them:

>The current Master Series 63 minute tape is model: AY-HDVM63AMQ (my note--this replaces the AY-DV...which was also marked for hdv/dv)

This is an enhanced version of the previous tape. It will perform in the same manner as the previous tape so no head-cleaning will be required when switching to this tape. There is no 83 minute tape in this Master Series Tape line.

In the Professional Series Tape line there is an 83 minute model: AY-DVM83PQUS
This tape also will not require cleaning the heads when switching between Master and Professional Series tape.<

i was originally startled when shortly after buying my camera i discovered the tapes i'd bought with it, the AY-DVM63AMQ, were discontinued!

Adam Chilton · September 17th, 2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Allan Black

I and others say you should use a DV cleaner tape the same brand as the DV tape you use to record with. There are dry and wet lubrication types, Sony is wet and Panasonic is dry. So check Google and the forums and decide for yourself.

Cheers.

Is this true for head cleaners as well (dry/wet)? I'm gonna be using pana PQ tapes in my XHA1, I have a sony head cleaning tape. Does it really matter or is it really a small thing I shouldn't be worrying about? I want to run the sony head cleaner before I start with my Pana tapes.

Tom Hardwick: "You can use any tape head cleaner you like."

does it matter?
thanks

Greg Laves · September 17th, 2009, 10:55 PM

In my community of friends, we have 3 heavy tape users. One will use virtually only Sony Premiums. He did buy some of the Sony Pro HDV tapes in the big box but he has never used them. Another will use anything "but Sony". He said he has had drop out problems with every Sony he has tried to use. His tape of choice right now is Maxell but he will use any other brand as long as it isn't a Sony tape. I have been extremely happy with either Panasonic AMQ's or the high end Sony Pro HDV tapes. The only drop out that I have experienced in the last 2 years was on a Sony 80 minute Premium tape. And everyone seems to think that all 80 minute tapes are more prone to problems. I rarely re-use tapes. But that is mainly because I want to preserve the footage that I have shot.

Allan Black · September 17th, 2009, 11:09 PM

Adam, even though others say 'it doesn't' in fact it does matter. I use Panasonic AY-DVM83MQ DV tapes (now discontinued) without problems and they have the dry lubrication, so I use Pana cleaning tapes.

They actually say 'hard type' (dry) on the tape label.

Cheers.

Bryan Daugherty · September 22nd, 2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Shealy

I use Sony DVM60PRR that cost $2.20 at B&H. If I need 80 minute tapes I purchase the DVM80PRL that cost around $8.50...

I have heard mixed reviews on the DVM80PRL tape but have a job coming up where an 80 minute tape would be helpful. Can anyone elaborate on the experiences they have had with this tape?

Typically, I use the PHDVM-63DM, PDVM-40N, and have been testing HDM-63VG tapes. Thanks for any input.

Roger Shealy · September 22nd, 2009, 06:50 PM

Bryan, I've only used a handful of the Sony 80 minute tapes, but performance has been flawless thus far. It really takes the stress off of a "one hour" presentation to have a few minutes to start rolling before it starts and a few on the back side when things go a little long.

Allan Black · September 22nd, 2009, 09:56 PM

All Sony mini DV actual tape grades are the same, but the 83min is 2 microns thinner than the 63min. It's done by calendering (polishing) the wide web of tape. Great party trick by the manufacturers.

As I menioned earlier the price differences are in the DV tape shells and the packaging. That you can see on all the dealer sites, btw I check their ratings at Store Ratings and Reviews by Real People - Trusted Online Shopping

Buy the 5 pack and when you load one, make sure it finishes lacing up in the transport before you close the lid. This has come up before where a run and gunner had problems through closing the lid too soon.

Then it's a good idea to spool in for 5-10secs and back, before you record from the start. This seats the tape properly in the tape path and helps unstick the tape pack.

Record for 10 secs before getting serious, during this time I occasionally speak (slate) ALL the cam and ALL the mic settings for reference later. Put your brain in gear first folks, can be tough on an early shoot.

Cheers.

Greg Laves · September 29th, 2009, 10:34 AM

I have one update I would like to add. A golf buddy of mine is a high school football coach. I have always like the sideline action so I wrangled a sideline pass out of him to shoot some test footage and to practice. Since I had no plans on doing anything with the tape I used a once used Sony Pro HDV tape (the real expensive ones). I was just watching my footage and I had 3 drop outs on that one tape. There were no drop outs in the original program that I shot but the second time around I wasn't so lucky. That is the first drop outs that I have ever had with this camera. I guess it is time to run a tape cleaner through it. Sucks.

September 17th, 2009, 11:09 PM	#50
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,931	Adam, even though others say 'it doesn't' in fact it does matter. I use Panasonic AY-DVM83MQ DV tapes (now discontinued) without problems and they have the dry lubrication, so I use Pana cleaning tapes. They actually say 'hard type' (dry) on the tape label. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

September 22nd, 2009, 09:56 PM	#53
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,931	All Sony mini DV actual tape grades are the same, but the 83min is 2 microns thinner than the 63min. It's done by calendering (polishing) the wide web of tape. Great party trick by the manufacturers. As I menioned earlier the price differences are in the DV tape shells and the packaging. That you can see on all the dealer sites, btw I check their ratings at Store Ratings and Reviews by Real People - Trusted Online Shopping Buy the 5 pack and when you load one, make sure it finishes lacing up in the transport before you close the lid. This has come up before where a run and gunner had problems through closing the lid too soon. Then it's a good idea to spool in for 5-10secs and back, before you record from the start. This seats the tape properly in the tape path and helps unstick the tape pack. Record for 10 secs before getting serious, during this time I occasionally speak (slate) ALL the cam and ALL the mic settings for reference later. Put your brain in gear first folks, can be tough on an early shoot. Cheers. __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

September 15th, 2009, 02:15 AM	#47
Cynthia Granville Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Weehawken NJ Posts: 51	just to have updated model info on the forum, panasonic has changed some of the tapes and model numbers (slightly) recently, here's info i received from them: >The current Master Series 63 minute tape is model: AY-HDVM63AMQ (my note--this replaces the AY-DV...which was also marked for hdv/dv) This is an enhanced version of the previous tape. It will perform in the same manner as the previous tape so no head-cleaning will be required when switching to this tape. There is no 83 minute tape in this Master Series Tape line. In the Professional Series Tape line there is an 83 minute model: AY-DVM83PQUS This tape also will not require cleaning the heads when switching between Master and Professional Series tape.< i was originally startled when shortly after buying my camera i discovered the tapes i'd bought with it, the AY-DVM63AMQ, were discontinued!

September 17th, 2009, 10:55 PM	#49
Greg Laves Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Posts: 640	In my community of friends, we have 3 heavy tape users. One will use virtually only Sony Premiums. He did buy some of the Sony Pro HDV tapes in the big box but he has never used them. Another will use anything "but Sony". He said he has had drop out problems with every Sony he has tried to use. His tape of choice right now is Maxell but he will use any other brand as long as it isn't a Sony tape. I have been extremely happy with either Panasonic AMQ's or the high end Sony Pro HDV tapes. The only drop out that I have experienced in the last 2 years was on a Sony 80 minute Premium tape. And everyone seems to think that all 80 minute tapes are more prone to problems. I rarely re-use tapes. But that is mainly because I want to preserve the footage that I have shot.

September 22nd, 2009, 06:50 PM	#52
Roger Shealy Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fayetteville, GA Posts: 772	Bryan, I've only used a handful of the Sony 80 minute tapes, but performance has been flawless thus far. It really takes the stress off of a "one hour" presentation to have a few minutes to start rolling before it starts and a few on the back side when things go a little long.

September 29th, 2009, 10:34 AM	#54
Greg Laves Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Posts: 640	I have one update I would like to add. A golf buddy of mine is a high school football coach. I have always like the sideline action so I wrangled a sideline pass out of him to shoot some test footage and to practice. Since I had no plans on doing anything with the tape I used a once used Sony Pro HDV tape (the real expensive ones). I was just watching my footage and I had 3 drop outs on that one tape. There were no drop outs in the original program that I shot but the second time around I wasn't so lucky. That is the first drop outs that I have ever had with this camera. I guess it is time to run a tape cleaner through it. Sucks.