Encoder issues at DVinfo.net

Billy Griffin · July 31st, 2008, 11:20 AM

Rookie here, so maybe you guys can help me out?

I notice that when using my camera in HDV mode, I cannot get Windows Media Encoder nor my Messenger programs to recognize the camera. When I change the settings to SD, either 16:9 or 4:3, it recognizes the camera. Although when using it, I really have to tweak the settings because if using 16:9, it really tries to "slim" up the video.

Thoughts ??? Advice ???

Annie Haycock · August 1st, 2008, 04:35 AM

Make sure both the camera and editor programs are using the same mode. Sounds like you've got one of each, so changing one will work. Is your camera downloading in SD, even though you've recorded in HD? That will convince the editor that you're working in SD.

Jeremiah Rickert · August 1st, 2008, 08:33 PM

I've noticed similar behavior as well. When in HDV mode, the only software that seems to recognize the camera and let you use it is HDVSplit

Bill Busby · August 2nd, 2008, 02:06 AM

May I ask what "Messenger programs" means?

Jeremiah Rickert · August 2nd, 2008, 02:22 AM

I think he means "chat" programs like AIM or Yahoo Messenger that let you use attached cameras as webcams.

Bill Busby · August 2nd, 2008, 02:31 AM

I thought he may have meant that, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out why anyone would use an A1 for that. "I got this cool webcam for $3700" :)

Jeremiah Rickert · August 2nd, 2008, 02:44 AM

My guess (aka fervent hope) was that he mentioned messenger not recognizing the camera as just another symptom of windows not recognizing the camera, hehe. Not necessarily his primary use for the camera.

I have noticed Windows will "beep" as if the device is recognized, but you don't get that autoplay popup of the camera is in HDV mode. Even if I put in a regular DV tape, I have to hit play so the readout switches to DV16x9, stop the tape, turn off the camera, then turn it back on again, and then I'll get the autoplay popup and Vegas will recognize the camera, etc.

HDVSplit works all the time, though.

Billy Griffin · August 5th, 2008, 04:49 PM

Umm, no... not a $3500 webcam.

What I was trying to explain is that the normal programs that normally recognize an SD signal, don't seem to recognize the HD signal. Strangely, if I switch the camera over to SD mode, either 16:9 or 4:3, the computer will then recognize the camera.

Bill Busby · August 5th, 2008, 05:08 PM

I understand now, and it's simple really. WME doesn't support HDV, nor do I believe any chat program available does. Chat programs that have webcam capability weren't designed for such a thing as HDV & most likely never will. Possibly at a later time WME most likely may though. HDV is a totally different signal, therefore these programs can't detect a DV signal when the device is in HDV mode.

July 31st, 2008, 11:20 AM	#1
Billy Griffin Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Enumclaw, WA Posts: 58	Encoder issues Rookie here, so maybe you guys can help me out? I notice that when using my camera in HDV mode, I cannot get Windows Media Encoder nor my Messenger programs to recognize the camera. When I change the settings to SD, either 16:9 or 4:3, it recognizes the camera. Although when using it, I really have to tweak the settings because if using 16:9, it really tries to "slim" up the video. Thoughts ??? Advice ???

August 1st, 2008, 04:35 AM	#2
Annie Haycock Major Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pembrokeshire, Wales Posts: 734	Make sure both the camera and editor programs are using the same mode. Sounds like you've got one of each, so changing one will work. Is your camera downloading in SD, even though you've recorded in HD? That will convince the editor that you're working in SD. __________________ Canon XH A1; Canon XF100; Nikon D800

August 1st, 2008, 08:33 PM	#3
Jeremiah Rickert Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newberg, Oregon Posts: 494	I've noticed similar behavior as well. When in HDV mode, the only software that seems to recognize the camera and let you use it is HDVSplit

August 2nd, 2008, 02:06 AM	#4
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	May I ask what "Messenger programs" means?

August 2nd, 2008, 02:22 AM	#5
Jeremiah Rickert Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newberg, Oregon Posts: 494	I think he means "chat" programs like AIM or Yahoo Messenger that let you use attached cameras as webcams.

August 2nd, 2008, 02:31 AM	#6
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	I thought he may have meant that, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out why anyone would use an A1 for that. "I got this cool webcam for $3700" :)

August 2nd, 2008, 02:44 AM	#7
Jeremiah Rickert Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newberg, Oregon Posts: 494	My guess (aka fervent hope) was that he mentioned messenger not recognizing the camera as just another symptom of windows not recognizing the camera, hehe. Not necessarily his primary use for the camera. I have noticed Windows will "beep" as if the device is recognized, but you don't get that autoplay popup of the camera is in HDV mode. Even if I put in a regular DV tape, I have to hit play so the readout switches to DV16x9, stop the tape, turn off the camera, then turn it back on again, and then I'll get the autoplay popup and Vegas will recognize the camera, etc. HDVSplit works all the time, though.

August 5th, 2008, 04:49 PM	#8
Billy Griffin Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Enumclaw, WA Posts: 58	Umm, no... not a $3500 webcam. What I was trying to explain is that the normal programs that normally recognize an SD signal, don't seem to recognize the HD signal. Strangely, if I switch the camera over to SD mode, either 16:9 or 4:3, the computer will then recognize the camera.

August 5th, 2008, 05:08 PM	#9
Bill Busby Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 959	I understand now, and it's simple really. WME doesn't support HDV, nor do I believe any chat program available does. Chat programs that have webcam capability weren't designed for such a thing as HDV & most likely never will. Possibly at a later time WME most likely may though. HDV is a totally different signal, therefore these programs can't detect a DV signal when the device is in HDV mode.