Lowlight preset tests vs. VX2100 at DVinfo.net

Bill Grant · March 21st, 2008, 11:37 PM

Hey ALl here is my first set of test in my room at night witht he A1 still trying to figure it out. I need a real life test... please feel free to comment
Bill
www.vimeo.com/810699

Jim Miller · March 22nd, 2008, 04:07 PM

interesting. I liked the true color preset on the A1 best even though it was a bit dark.

Chris van der Zaan · March 22nd, 2008, 04:25 PM

True color looks best. The other two are washed out/fuzzy and too bright. I find the difference very noticable. I am glad i went with a VX2100 instead of a XH-A1. I wonder if the difference will be even bigger when you remove the wide angle lens from the VX2100.

Russ Motyko · March 22nd, 2008, 05:36 PM

XH A1: Dark Subtitle Screen

VX2100: Bright Movie Scene

The key to any experiment is to keep all variables, except for one, the same. You didn't do that.

If anything your "experiment" tested CCD performance in 2 different lighting conditions. NOT A1 performance vs. VX2100 performance.

If you are going to test "low" light performance please make sure that the light remains "low" throughout the entire experiment.

Bill Grant · March 22nd, 2008, 08:19 PM

Oh, I hope I never indicated it was scientific. I was watching a movie and shot a few seconds with each cam. That's all. I never really noticed that the light on the tv had changed. I was actually pretty impressed with the relatively narrow margins. But what we do practically is very unscientific. I've never been to a wedding that was measured and so you know just had the stuff at my disposal that's all, thanks for watching.
Bill

Doug Lange · March 22nd, 2008, 10:57 PM

Personally, I'm not tweaked about an unscientific result making the VX2100 appear as a better low light cam. I know we'd agree that our XH A1s are fun to use and experiment with.

According to the title of the thread, it was a "lowlight preset tests vs. VX2100" regardless of how scientific the test intended to be. It's great to shoot video to learn your way around it. Please don't call it a test against another cam. Tests have the purpose of comparing one cam to another. People want to know what will work best for their particular situation and need. An unscientific test will only cause frustration and confusion for those people.

Bill Grant · March 23rd, 2008, 07:27 AM

Sorry, I just don't have the patience for scientific. I thought that the A1 was very close to the 2100. In fact that was what I was astonished about really, I had figured because of all of the SD vs HD talk in low light I would figure it would be night and day, and not subtle. But I'll refrain from posting next time. Sorry for the confusion.
Bill

Jay Hobbs · March 23rd, 2008, 10:33 PM

As a new boot ... my opinion doesnt matter much, however, I appreciate your post and post some more dammit!

Taj Jackson · March 23rd, 2008, 11:52 PM

Bill, I really appreciate you posting video. I checked it out yesterday. But I have to agree with Jay, post some more.... Please :-)

Brian Morris · March 24th, 2008, 07:41 AM

Hey Bill... Just pause the movie during the credits. Retest. The LCDs throw a lot of light during bright scenes.

When is your first wedding?

Bill Grant · March 24th, 2008, 09:01 AM

It's Saturday. I will prevail... I am going back to the church tomorrow, and will do more testing with the right presets and also 24f and 30f. I am also shooting a bridal session today.
Bill

Will Mahoney · March 24th, 2008, 10:17 AM

Was that movie "Dan in Real Life." It looked like the one scene was from there. I just saw that movie last weekend and really liked it. I was initially angry because all of the previews showed what I thought was a comedy. It was actually a nice dramatic movie and I liked it a lot.

Oh, and your footage samples are nice too. Thanks. I just posted my own Vimeo test and am happy with the results of the A1. I used VividRGB at an auto show in Cleveland and the results are stunning.

Thanks for posting.

Allen Plowman · March 24th, 2008, 11:29 AM

Bill, if your making everyone happy, you must be kissing up!!
Thanks for the comparison

March 21st, 2008, 11:37 PM	#1
Bill Grant Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Columbia,SC Posts: 806	Lowlight preset tests vs. VX2100 Hey ALl here is my first set of test in my room at night witht he A1 still trying to figure it out. I need a real life test... please feel free to comment Bill www.vimeo.com/810699

March 22nd, 2008, 05:36 PM	#4
Russ Motyko Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 56	Source of Error? XH A1: Dark Subtitle Screen VX2100: Bright Movie Scene The key to any experiment is to keep all variables, except for one, the same. You didn't do that. If anything your "experiment" tested CCD performance in 2 different lighting conditions. NOT A1 performance vs. VX2100 performance. If you are going to test "low" light performance please make sure that the light remains "low" throughout the entire experiment.

March 22nd, 2008, 10:57 PM	#6
Doug Lange Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska Posts: 138	Lowlight preset experiments? Personally, I'm not tweaked about an unscientific result making the VX2100 appear as a better low light cam. I know we'd agree that our XH A1s are fun to use and experiment with. According to the title of the thread, it was a "lowlight preset tests vs. VX2100" regardless of how scientific the test intended to be. It's great to shoot video to learn your way around it. Please don't call it a test against another cam. Tests have the purpose of comparing one cam to another. People want to know what will work best for their particular situation and need. An unscientific test will only cause frustration and confusion for those people. __________________ After years of lurking, I finally made the mistake of opening my mouth.

March 23rd, 2008, 10:33 PM	#8
Jay Hobbs New Boot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 9	I appreciate your post! As a new boot ... my opinion doesnt matter much, however, I appreciate your post and post some more dammit!

March 24th, 2008, 10:17 AM	#12
Will Mahoney Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 259	Was that movie "Dan in Real Life." It looked like the one scene was from there. I just saw that movie last weekend and really liked it. I was initially angry because all of the previews showed what I thought was a comedy. It was actually a nice dramatic movie and I liked it a lot. Oh, and your footage samples are nice too. Thanks. I just posted my own Vimeo test and am happy with the results of the A1. I used VividRGB at an auto show in Cleveland and the results are stunning. Thanks for posting. __________________ http://exposureroom.com/members/WillMahoney.aspx/ www.youtube.com/truckaccessories

March 22nd, 2008, 04:07 PM	#2
Jim Miller Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa,Florida Posts: 236	interesting. I liked the true color preset on the A1 best even though it was a bit dark.

March 22nd, 2008, 04:25 PM	#3
Chris van der Zaan Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 75	True color looks best. The other two are washed out/fuzzy and too bright. I find the difference very noticable. I am glad i went with a VX2100 instead of a XH-A1. I wonder if the difference will be even bigger when you remove the wide angle lens from the VX2100.

March 22nd, 2008, 08:19 PM	#5
Bill Grant Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Columbia,SC Posts: 806	Oh, I hope I never indicated it was scientific. I was watching a movie and shot a few seconds with each cam. That's all. I never really noticed that the light on the tv had changed. I was actually pretty impressed with the relatively narrow margins. But what we do practically is very unscientific. I've never been to a wedding that was measured and so you know just had the stuff at my disposal that's all, thanks for watching. Bill

March 23rd, 2008, 07:27 AM	#7
Bill Grant Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Columbia,SC Posts: 806	Sorry, I just don't have the patience for scientific. I thought that the A1 was very close to the 2100. In fact that was what I was astonished about really, I had figured because of all of the SD vs HD talk in low light I would figure it would be night and day, and not subtle. But I'll refrain from posting next time. Sorry for the confusion. Bill

March 23rd, 2008, 11:52 PM	#9
Taj Jackson Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: United States Posts: 46	Bill, I really appreciate you posting video. I checked it out yesterday. But I have to agree with Jay, post some more.... Please :-)

March 24th, 2008, 07:41 AM	#10
Brian Morris Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canton, OH Posts: 36	Hey Bill... Just pause the movie during the credits. Retest. The LCDs throw a lot of light during bright scenes. When is your first wedding?

March 24th, 2008, 09:01 AM	#11
Bill Grant Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Columbia,SC Posts: 806	It's Saturday. I will prevail... I am going back to the church tomorrow, and will do more testing with the right presets and also 24f and 30f. I am also shooting a bridal session today. Bill

March 24th, 2008, 11:29 AM	#13
Allen Plowman Major Player Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Paradise, california Posts: 353	Bill, if your making everyone happy, you must be kissing up!! Thanks for the comparison __________________ "What I need is an exact list of specific unknown problems we might encounter."