Another deck question... at DVinfo.net

John Stakes · January 9th, 2008, 01:26 AM

Hello all. I greatly enjoy all the knowledge received at this forum...thanks to everyone!
that being said,

I know the tape brand question and deck questions have been beaten flat, but I have a couple new ones (i think).

(1) I know that the HV10 and HV20 are the only camcorders that can playback Canon's "F" format, but what if I just want to rew/fw? that shouldn't be a problem, right? (now that I think about it, I guess i wouldn't be able to capture without playback, right?)

(2) this may be obvious to most, I know it isn't a good idea to switch tape manufactures, but what about using a different manufacturer's camcorder as a deck? For example, I bought a little JVC GRDA30 for rew/fw (will be returning to get HV20). Is there a problem switching the tape back and forward between JVC and the H1?

(3) those of you that fw/rew your tapes before recording (to set the tension), do you do this in the camcorder you are recording with? or can you also use your secondary camcorder to set the tension, and then record with the primary?

thanks in advance

Don Palomaki · January 9th, 2008, 08:21 AM

Assuming the camcorders support the same record format, there should be no problem taking a tape recorded at standard speed (SP) on one camcorder to playback on a different machine, provided both are in alignment.

However, tapes recorded at the long play (LP) speed are problematic at best, and may not play well on a different machine, or event on the same machine a few years later if the alignment has drifted.

FWD/REW tape is a reasonable thing to go if you have the time, especially if the tape has sat for a long time, has been stored flat (not in a vertical position), or has been subject to wide variations in temperature and humidity since the last use. The action helps assure smooth tape feed and thus better tracking. Most users may not notice any obvious benefit.

John Stakes · January 9th, 2008, 09:01 AM

thanks for the reply...I will not be doing any LP recording. But with the fwd/rew before recording, do I need to do this in my A1, or can I do it with the cheapo?

Noel Evans · January 9th, 2008, 09:15 AM

You can fw/rw a tape in any cheapo camcorder you like. Its not going to have any effect on anything.

As far as fw/rw for tape tension, most manufacturers are pretty good with QC and process these days so I really dont think its needed. I usually record bars for the first minute of tape and usually dont record on the last five or so. Usually the head and the foot of the tape are where a problem may occur

Kellen Dengler · January 9th, 2008, 11:35 AM

How about this? $35

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Rewinder.html

Nick Weeks · January 10th, 2008, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellen Dengler

How about this? $35

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Rewinder.html

I also considered that, but I've heard wayyy too many horror stories about eaten tapes, so I just use the HV20 for rew/ff

John Stakes · January 11th, 2008, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Weeks

I also considered that, but I've heard wayyy too many horror stories about eaten tapes, so I just use the HV20 for rew/ff

same here...i think im just going to wait until i can find an HV20 for a great price...they are down to $700 so far....

Bill Pryor · January 11th, 2008, 09:11 PM

Or get an HV10 for less.

January 9th, 2008, 01:26 AM	#1
John Stakes Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 558	Another deck question... Hello all. I greatly enjoy all the knowledge received at this forum...thanks to everyone! that being said, I know the tape brand question and deck questions have been beaten flat, but I have a couple new ones (i think). (1) I know that the HV10 and HV20 are the only camcorders that can playback Canon's "F" format, but what if I just want to rew/fw? that shouldn't be a problem, right? (now that I think about it, I guess i wouldn't be able to capture without playback, right?) (2) this may be obvious to most, I know it isn't a good idea to switch tape manufactures, but what about using a different manufacturer's camcorder as a deck? For example, I bought a little JVC GRDA30 for rew/fw (will be returning to get HV20). Is there a problem switching the tape back and forward between JVC and the H1? (3) those of you that fw/rew your tapes before recording (to set the tension), do you do this in the camcorder you are recording with? or can you also use your secondary camcorder to set the tension, and then record with the primary? thanks in advance

January 9th, 2008, 08:21 AM	#2
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,489	Assuming the camcorders support the same record format, there should be no problem taking a tape recorded at standard speed (SP) on one camcorder to playback on a different machine, provided both are in alignment. However, tapes recorded at the long play (LP) speed are problematic at best, and may not play well on a different machine, or event on the same machine a few years later if the alignment has drifted. FWD/REW tape is a reasonable thing to go if you have the time, especially if the tape has sat for a long time, has been stored flat (not in a vertical position), or has been subject to wide variations in temperature and humidity since the last use. The action helps assure smooth tape feed and thus better tracking. Most users may not notice any obvious benefit. __________________ dpalomaki@dspalomaki.com

January 9th, 2008, 09:01 AM	#3
John Stakes Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 558	thanks for the reply...I will not be doing any LP recording. But with the fwd/rew before recording, do I need to do this in my A1, or can I do it with the cheapo?

January 9th, 2008, 09:15 AM	#4
Noel Evans Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 157	You can fw/rw a tape in any cheapo camcorder you like. Its not going to have any effect on anything. As far as fw/rw for tape tension, most manufacturers are pretty good with QC and process these days so I really dont think its needed. I usually record bars for the first minute of tape and usually dont record on the last five or so. Usually the head and the foot of the tape are where a problem may occur

January 9th, 2008, 11:35 AM	#5
Kellen Dengler Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 118	How about this? $35 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Rewinder.html

January 11th, 2008, 09:11 PM	#8
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	Or get an HV10 for less.