HDV Deck compatible with A1 "frame" recording

Jim Miller · May 4th, 2007, 03:26 PM

50 hours will not but a big strain on your A1. But if you plan on keeping it awhile and shoot lots of footage you migh consider getting the HV20 as a deck and B camera. I own both and use the HV20 to edit. It captures footage, including the A1's 24f, with no problems.

To keep the hours to a minimum use "capture now" as opposed to "batch capture" to capture a whole tape. You cand then delete the footage you don't need from you NLE.

Douglas Villalba · May 4th, 2007, 03:45 PM

I am also using the HV20 as B cam and to capture even from Sony cams. The difference is that I capture component out to DVCPRO HD codec. It is just easier on multi-cam shoot.

Bill Pryor · May 5th, 2007, 05:50 PM

If you're shooting 24P HDV with your XH A1, there is no deck, so you have to buy either the HV10 or HV20 if you don't want to load footage with the XH A1. I personally would go for the 20 because it also does 24p and there might be times you'd want a smaller, lighter and less conspicuous camera.

It's not all that bad to use your camera as a deck if you do it sparingly, and 50 tapes isn't all that much. I also think it's easier on the camera if you capture in one pass. If you're using FCP, latest version, you can do that and FCP will magically divide it into individual clips for you. So, instead of going through the tape, setting an in and out point for the first clip, rewinding, cueing, playing, stopping, recueing, then going to the next clip...what you do is just set an in point at the beginning and an out point at the end and capture it all. You can then name your clips after they're captured. If you have 50 takes on a tape, the camera is going to be stopping and starting about 100 times using traditional capture. By doing the whole tape, you save a lot of mechanical wear.

David W. Jones · May 6th, 2007, 06:45 AM

Or you could purchase something like a Firestore.
Footage transfers to computer then takes minuets instead of Hours, and you have the tapes as a backup.

Rick Llewellyn · May 6th, 2007, 07:08 AM

2 Questions:
1. Will the HV10 playback over firewire 24f mode from tapes made on the A1?
2. For tapes recorded with the A1's 24f mode, if played back on the HV20 (or Hv10) how does it come across firewire on capture as 24p or 24p with the HV20's strange pulldown. (OK, maybe it's not strange, just difficult to work with in FCP in a 24p timeline.)

Rick

Jim Miller · May 9th, 2007, 06:46 PM

I have an A1 and an HV20. 24f from the A1 plays just fine on the HV20 and inputs to FCP as 24p 23.98fps just like it would from the A1. no problems

Bill Pryor · May 9th, 2007, 06:51 PM

Good to hear that. That's what it's supposed to do, but it's nice to hear it for sure from a user.

Eric Weiss · May 9th, 2007, 07:25 PM

i concur! hv20.

however, on down-converting or hdv importing it does not split scenes in Vegas.

anyone else? for importing HDV, I have been using HDV split.
Cineform NEO does not detect scene splits either.

Anyway, as a deck it's fine and you get a camera too.

Rick Llewellyn · May 9th, 2007, 09:20 PM

What happens when you play back a tape recorded on the HV20 in 24p on the A1? Do you still get the pull down that is difficult to extract to no pull down 24p?

Rick

Mike Meyerson · June 10th, 2007, 09:36 AM

Anyone using this deck w/ the XHA1? Any problems or issues playing all resolutions/frame rates etc?

Chris Hurd · June 10th, 2007, 09:47 AM

Frequently asked. Please search before posting.

All Sony HDV decks will play back Canon 1080i60 video.

However no Sony HDV decks will play back Canon 1080p24 or 1080p30 video (otherwise known as Frame mode or 24F and 30F). If you don't want to use your XH-A1 or G1 as a deck, then you'll need a Canon HV10 or HV20 consumer HDV camcorder to play back Frame mode 24F and 30F video. Hope this helps,

Bill Pryor · June 23rd, 2007, 12:36 PM

I've seen some posts of people using the HV20 as a deck. I'm wondering if there's anybody using the HV10 and if it functions OK with FCP and with the XH A1's 24f footage. I know the camera plays back all Canon frame rates, but I wonder how it works in actual use with FCP--ie., has anybody had one for a few months and been using it with no difficulties?

Bill Pryor · June 29th, 2007, 02:04 PM

Nobody using this?

Steven Dempsey · June 29th, 2007, 04:30 PM

I have not tested this but I believe there have been no issues around using the HV10 as a full deck.

Bill Pryor · June 29th, 2007, 04:33 PM

I'm just trying to get confirmation from somebody who is actually using to load 24p footage into FCP.

May 4th, 2007, 03:45 PM	#62
Douglas Villalba Major Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami, Florida, USA Posts: 479	I am also using the HV20 as B cam and to capture even from Sony cams. The difference is that I capture component out to DVCPRO HD codec. It is just easier on multi-cam shoot. __________________ Douglas Villalba - director/cinematographer/editor Miami, Florida, USA - www.DVtvPRODUCTIONS.com

May 6th, 2007, 07:08 AM	#65
Rick Llewellyn Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbia, Maryland Posts: 61	using HV10 or HV20 as deck 2 Questions: 1. Will the HV10 playback over firewire 24f mode from tapes made on the A1? 2. For tapes recorded with the A1's 24f mode, if played back on the HV20 (or Hv10) how does it come across firewire on capture as 24p or 24p with the HV20's strange pulldown. (OK, maybe it's not strange, just difficult to work with in FCP in a 24p timeline.) Rick

May 9th, 2007, 09:20 PM	#69
Rick Llewellyn Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbia, Maryland Posts: 61	A1 as deck for HV20 What happens when you play back a tape recorded on the HV20 in 24p on the A1? Do you still get the pull down that is difficult to extract to no pull down 24p? Rick

June 10th, 2007, 09:36 AM	#70
Mike Meyerson Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: mahopac, NY Posts: 293	sony HVRM25U deck w/ XH-A1? Anyone using this deck w/ the XHA1? Any problems or issues playing all resolutions/frame rates etc?

June 10th, 2007, 09:47 AM	#71
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Frequently asked. Please search before posting. All Sony HDV decks will play back Canon 1080i60 video. However no Sony HDV decks will play back Canon 1080p24 or 1080p30 video (otherwise known as Frame mode or 24F and 30F). If you don't want to use your XH-A1 or G1 as a deck, then you'll need a Canon HV10 or HV20 consumer HDV camcorder to play back Frame mode 24F and 30F video. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 4th, 2007, 03:26 PM	#61
Jim Miller Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa,Florida Posts: 236	50 hours will not but a big strain on your A1. But if you plan on keeping it awhile and shoot lots of footage you migh consider getting the HV20 as a deck and B camera. I own both and use the HV20 to edit. It captures footage, including the A1's 24f, with no problems. To keep the hours to a minimum use "capture now" as opposed to "batch capture" to capture a whole tape. You cand then delete the footage you don't need from you NLE.

May 5th, 2007, 05:50 PM	#63
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	If you're shooting 24P HDV with your XH A1, there is no deck, so you have to buy either the HV10 or HV20 if you don't want to load footage with the XH A1. I personally would go for the 20 because it also does 24p and there might be times you'd want a smaller, lighter and less conspicuous camera. It's not all that bad to use your camera as a deck if you do it sparingly, and 50 tapes isn't all that much. I also think it's easier on the camera if you capture in one pass. If you're using FCP, latest version, you can do that and FCP will magically divide it into individual clips for you. So, instead of going through the tape, setting an in and out point for the first clip, rewinding, cueing, playing, stopping, recueing, then going to the next clip...what you do is just set an in point at the beginning and an out point at the end and capture it all. You can then name your clips after they're captured. If you have 50 takes on a tape, the camera is going to be stopping and starting about 100 times using traditional capture. By doing the whole tape, you save a lot of mechanical wear.

May 6th, 2007, 06:45 AM	#64
David W. Jones Trustee Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Little Rock Posts: 1,383	Or you could purchase something like a Firestore. Footage transfers to computer then takes minuets instead of Hours, and you have the tapes as a backup.

May 9th, 2007, 06:46 PM	#66
Jim Miller Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa,Florida Posts: 236	I have an A1 and an HV20. 24f from the A1 plays just fine on the HV20 and inputs to FCP as 24p 23.98fps just like it would from the A1. no problems

May 9th, 2007, 06:51 PM	#67
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	Good to hear that. That's what it's supposed to do, but it's nice to hear it for sure from a user.

May 9th, 2007, 07:25 PM	#68
Eric Weiss Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philly,PA Posts: 360	i concur! hv20. however, on down-converting or hdv importing it does not split scenes in Vegas. anyone else? for importing HDV, I have been using HDV split. Cineform NEO does not detect scene splits either. Anyway, as a deck it's fine and you get a camera too.

June 23rd, 2007, 12:36 PM	#72
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	HV10 as deck--any problems? I've seen some posts of people using the HV20 as a deck. I'm wondering if there's anybody using the HV10 and if it functions OK with FCP and with the XH A1's 24f footage. I know the camera plays back all Canon frame rates, but I wonder how it works in actual use with FCP--ie., has anybody had one for a few months and been using it with no difficulties?

June 29th, 2007, 02:04 PM	#73
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	Nobody using this?

June 29th, 2007, 04:30 PM	#74
Steven Dempsey Disjecta Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 937	I have not tested this but I believe there have been no issues around using the HV10 as a full deck. __________________ Try my Digital Therapy: http://www.pinelakefilms.com/digital_therapy.html Films on ExposureRoom: http://exposureroom.com/members/disjecta.aspx/videos/

June 29th, 2007, 04:33 PM	#75
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	I'm just trying to get confirmation from somebody who is actually using to load 24p footage into FCP.