LCD is all I got at DVinfo.net

Andrew Galves · August 19th, 2007, 07:52 AM

Hey folks, I am very new to the video business. I just bought an A1 which I love! Only problem is, I can't buy a field moniter quite yet. From what I gather, the moniter is not the best way to judge color or contrast.

I used it yesterday with my family and noticed it was a little milky and noisy, I saw during the shots there where split seconds where it I would be fiddeling with it and the picture was sweet. So obviously I can achieve what I want from the A1. My suspicion is that the moniter isn't quite accurate.

So can someone help me...

If I only have the LCD for a field moniter for right now, how can I best set the LCD for the naked eye to achieve the best results?

Eric Weiss · August 19th, 2007, 10:13 AM

out of the box, my lcd was way off. against my monitors, the vf was nearly perfect. i've got a decent setup now but i still use my vf for exposure and color cast then use the lcd for monitor and focus. with the magnify option, i see no use for a field monitor with this cam.

Andrew Galves · August 19th, 2007, 10:46 AM

What set up did you use for your VF on the camera?

Eric Weiss · August 19th, 2007, 12:19 PM

from what i've been reading, people have different thoughts in regard to the setups. i don't know if it's personal opinions or if the cams leave the factory slightly different. for me, the lcd was too bright and under saturated so my footage turned out dark and colorful. my vf matched what i thought i had shot perfectly.

you are better off running a line out to a tv/monitor and doing your own tests and setups for the look that you want to consistantly achieve.

Mats Frendahl · August 19th, 2007, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Weiss

you are better off running a line out to a tv/monitor and doing your own tests and setups for the look that you want to consistantly achieve.

Anyone using the JVC TMH-150CGU with component RGB (additional option to the monitor) with the A1?

(I've understood that the composite is no good other than possibly framing/focus/iris.)

Jose Ramada · August 19th, 2007, 07:11 PM

My advice is to compare the image on the VF/LCD with the one you get on a well calibrated monitor/Tv and then use your VF for correct exposition and your LCD for focus and monitoring. For exposing correctly through your VF only concentrate on luminance change, when it changes you are done.
To calibrate correctly your monitor/Tv feed your monitor/Tv with color bars type2 of your A1 and follow the instructions you can get at www.videouniversity.com/tvbars2.htm

Jim Bucciferro · August 20th, 2007, 05:01 AM

Isn't there a way to adjust the LCD brightness? I used my A1 for a wedding and while I relied on the LCD, the picture was a little darker than expected.
However the LCD is convenient since the eye piece for the VF is awful.

Jim

Brent Goodale · August 20th, 2007, 07:07 AM

You want to be careful with the lcd brightness in the camcorder. making the lcd too bright will cause you to underexpose because you will think that you have enough light and its simply just pushing the light though the lcd. I hear it best to keep the lcd brightness right in the middle.

Jim Bucciferro · August 20th, 2007, 09:00 AM

Well, I ran the signal through a monitor and while it looked ok on the LCD it was too dark on the monitor. Adjusting for the monitor the LCD was too bright, so I have to adjust it so it matches. Something I should have done before I shot the wedding.

Wes Powell · August 20th, 2007, 05:16 PM

never use the LCD on any camera to judge correct exposure and color. Always use the viewfinder to set up the shot. Then use the LCD to frame the shot when you are shooting so you dont have to have your head at the camera looking into the VF. I wouldnt even trust an external monitor. Those things lose their calibrations really easily.

Jose Ramada · August 21st, 2007, 05:16 PM

I agree completely. LCD is only good for framing and focusing. If color is problematic in the VF, set it to B+W and concentrate on luminance change. This is the way the professionals shoot. I already had a Sony DVCam DSR 350 and the VF was only B+W. A1 doesn`t need an external monitor. You will waist your energy and your money with such extras .

Richard Hunter · August 23rd, 2007, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jose Ramada

My advice is to compare the image on the VF/LCD with the one you get on a well calibrated monitor/Tv and then use your VF for correct exposition and your LCD for focus and monitoring. For exposing correctly through your VF only concentrate on luminance change, when it changes you are done.
To calibrate correctly your monitor/Tv feed your monitor/Tv with color bars type2 of your A1 and follow the instructions you can get at www.videouniversity.com/tvbars2.htm

This is the way I would recommend too. When the camera displays are set up this way they give a fairly representative image in the field. But also note that for good exposure you must take care of the zebras as well.

Richard

August 19th, 2007, 07:52 AM	#1
Andrew Galves New Boot Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 10	Viewfinder on camera is all I got Hey folks, I am very new to the video business. I just bought an A1 which I love! Only problem is, I can't buy a field moniter quite yet. From what I gather, the moniter is not the best way to judge color or contrast. I used it yesterday with my family and noticed it was a little milky and noisy, I saw during the shots there where split seconds where it I would be fiddeling with it and the picture was sweet. So obviously I can achieve what I want from the A1. My suspicion is that the moniter isn't quite accurate. So can someone help me... If I only have the LCD for a field moniter for right now, how can I best set the LCD for the naked eye to achieve the best results? Last edited by Andrew Galves; August 19th, 2007 at 11:18 AM.

August 19th, 2007, 10:46 AM	#3
Andrew Galves New Boot Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 10	Vf What set up did you use for your VF on the camera?

August 20th, 2007, 05:01 AM	#7
Jim Bucciferro Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Shelton, CT USA Posts: 125	LCD brightness Isn't there a way to adjust the LCD brightness? I used my A1 for a wedding and while I relied on the LCD, the picture was a little darker than expected. However the LCD is convenient since the eye piece for the VF is awful. Jim

August 20th, 2007, 09:00 AM	#9
Jim Bucciferro Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Shelton, CT USA Posts: 125	LCD too bright Well, I ran the signal through a monitor and while it looked ok on the LCD it was too dark on the monitor. Adjusting for the monitor the LCD was too bright, so I have to adjust it so it matches. Something I should have done before I shot the wedding.

August 19th, 2007, 10:13 AM	#2
Eric Weiss Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philly,PA Posts: 360	out of the box, my lcd was way off. against my monitors, the vf was nearly perfect. i've got a decent setup now but i still use my vf for exposure and color cast then use the lcd for monitor and focus. with the magnify option, i see no use for a field monitor with this cam.

August 19th, 2007, 12:19 PM	#4
Eric Weiss Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philly,PA Posts: 360	from what i've been reading, people have different thoughts in regard to the setups. i don't know if it's personal opinions or if the cams leave the factory slightly different. for me, the lcd was too bright and under saturated so my footage turned out dark and colorful. my vf matched what i thought i had shot perfectly. you are better off running a line out to a tv/monitor and doing your own tests and setups for the look that you want to consistantly achieve.

August 19th, 2007, 07:11 PM	#6
Jose Ramada New Boot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Valadares - Portugal Posts: 24	My advice is to compare the image on the VF/LCD with the one you get on a well calibrated monitor/Tv and then use your VF for correct exposition and your LCD for focus and monitoring. For exposing correctly through your VF only concentrate on luminance change, when it changes you are done. To calibrate correctly your monitor/Tv feed your monitor/Tv with color bars type2 of your A1 and follow the instructions you can get at www.videouniversity.com/tvbars2.htm

August 20th, 2007, 07:07 AM	#8
Brent Goodale Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Chicago IL Posts: 31	You want to be careful with the lcd brightness in the camcorder. making the lcd too bright will cause you to underexpose because you will think that you have enough light and its simply just pushing the light though the lcd. I hear it best to keep the lcd brightness right in the middle.

August 20th, 2007, 05:16 PM	#10
Wes Powell Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 26	never use the LCD on any camera to judge correct exposure and color. Always use the viewfinder to set up the shot. Then use the LCD to frame the shot when you are shooting so you dont have to have your head at the camera looking into the VF. I wouldnt even trust an external monitor. Those things lose their calibrations really easily.

August 21st, 2007, 05:16 PM	#11
Jose Ramada New Boot Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Valadares - Portugal Posts: 24	I agree completely. LCD is only good for framing and focusing. If color is problematic in the VF, set it to B+W and concentrate on luminance change. This is the way the professionals shoot. I already had a Sony DVCam DSR 350 and the VF was only B+W. A1 doesn`t need an external monitor. You will waist your energy and your money with such extras .