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Raul Rooma · August 4th, 2007, 02:39 PM

Hi Guys!Tryed out freerun timecode for multicam shoot.2 A1's.Problem is that on tapes my all in perfect sync,when i use camcorder to look at footage.at the same timecode point i have done flashes and all in perfekt sync.But after capturing with premiere pro 2 clips a out of sync,feels like capturing messing something.Can it be like that?? And if i make little paus between shots example,then timecode jumps forward at this point,camcorder shows it,but when capturing file on to disc it is wit continous timecode.Seems Like premiere starting with one point and rolling then freely til i quit recording.It Dosnt control the timecode on tape just running freely.

Can it be like that,or what i'm doin'g wrong with capturing??Any help a very welcome :)

Raul

Ger Griffin · August 5th, 2007, 04:29 AM

I cannot help you Raul but I would be interested to know how you get on

Raul Rooma · August 5th, 2007, 07:33 AM

Messing around with 2 cams;).And what i find out!seems that mistake coming to game with HDV compression,footage may be in perfect sync,but in some point have like timejump,missing some frames.etc.and after that,2 clips a out of sync.This jump even hardly to notice just viewing timeline,only scrolling frame by frame gives it out.And of course premiere dosn't report about dropped frames.I tryed same thing recording SD with XH-A1's and freerun timecode.It works perfectly.I don't understand how premiere still captures stuff,even when at some time point some frames a missing,time runs still his own way,and picture must be too same with both cams.

Raul

Ger Griffin · August 5th, 2007, 10:01 AM

well i know ideally the cameras timecodes would be synced before you start but this can only be done with the A1's big brother the G1.

I think the fields need to match also, not just the frames.
as for the slipping, as i learned here, every clock is slightly different.
but it shouldnt be as noticeable as you say.
and why with only HD?
anybody?

Raul Rooma · August 5th, 2007, 06:05 PM

Yes,G1 's can be synced,and you must pay enough much for this feature.I synced 2 A1's like Chris Hurd suggest's to do with XL2's.With remote control to switch on freerun timecode on both cameras,even on three if you have.it works well with A1's too.Of course cam's internal cloks not the same,but this mistake is very little.not noticeable.I have done some tests.It works well with SD,as i mentioned before,but seems that Hd is more afraid of dropouts.What is interesting,that on tape next frames after dropout a in ''right place'' ,(otherwise we have here already timetravelling :) )but captured footage have already moved frames from its original timecode location because of the missing frames i guess.

Still messing around with it....
Raul

August 4th, 2007, 02:39 PM	#1
Raul Rooma Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Estonia Posts: 113	Freerun Timecode Hi Guys!Tryed out freerun timecode for multicam shoot.2 A1's.Problem is that on tapes my all in perfect sync,when i use camcorder to look at footage.at the same timecode point i have done flashes and all in perfekt sync.But after capturing with premiere pro 2 clips a out of sync,feels like capturing messing something.Can it be like that?? And if i make little paus between shots example,then timecode jumps forward at this point,camcorder shows it,but when capturing file on to disc it is wit continous timecode.Seems Like premiere starting with one point and rolling then freely til i quit recording.It Dosnt control the timecode on tape just running freely. Can it be like that,or what i'm doin'g wrong with capturing??Any help a very welcome :) Raul

August 5th, 2007, 07:33 AM	#3
Raul Rooma Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Estonia Posts: 113	Yeah! Messing around with 2 cams;).And what i find out!seems that mistake coming to game with HDV compression,footage may be in perfect sync,but in some point have like timejump,missing some frames.etc.and after that,2 clips a out of sync.This jump even hardly to notice just viewing timeline,only scrolling frame by frame gives it out.And of course premiere dosn't report about dropped frames.I tryed same thing recording SD with XH-A1's and freerun timecode.It works perfectly.I don't understand how premiere still captures stuff,even when at some time point some frames a missing,time runs still his own way,and picture must be too same with both cams. Raul

August 5th, 2007, 06:05 PM	#5
Raul Rooma Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Estonia Posts: 113	Syncing Yes,G1 's can be synced,and you must pay enough much for this feature.I synced 2 A1's like Chris Hurd suggest's to do with XL2's.With remote control to switch on freerun timecode on both cameras,even on three if you have.it works well with A1's too.Of course cam's internal cloks not the same,but this mistake is very little.not noticeable.I have done some tests.It works well with SD,as i mentioned before,but seems that Hd is more afraid of dropouts.What is interesting,that on tape next frames after dropout a in ''right place'' ,(otherwise we have here already timetravelling :) )but captured footage have already moved frames from its original timecode location because of the missing frames i guess. Still messing around with it.... Raul

August 5th, 2007, 04:29 AM	#2
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	I cannot help you Raul but I would be interested to know how you get on

August 5th, 2007, 10:01 AM	#4
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	well i know ideally the cameras timecodes would be synced before you start but this can only be done with the A1's big brother the G1. I think the fields need to match also, not just the frames. as for the slipping, as i learned here, every clock is slightly different. but it shouldnt be as noticeable as you say. and why with only HD? anybody?