Should I get the XF100 or 105? at DVinfo.net

Paul Owens · February 17th, 2011, 04:02 PM

Ok, I need some advice. If I let you know what I foresee myself shooting can you help recommending between these 2? I'm sure the XF100 will be fine for now, but I'm very new to this all but want to grow and don't want to be in a position where I HAVE to upgrade.

Main uses
1. on the water sailing footage.
2. on shore boat setup footage
3. indoor and outdoor training clinic/lecture footage
4. Run-and-gun interviews at regattas
5. corporate videos (tours of facilities...)

Less often uses
1. weddings (mostly only people I know)
2. Ballet recitals (teacher said if i shoot some behind the scenes and event stuff we can barter for my daughters classes:-)

I'm really being drawn to this camera due to the size (I'll not only be in tight spaces but also traveling quite a bit.) I also like the solid state recording. I just don't know what I would ever plug into the genlock and HDSD-SDI ports. I'll spend the extra $k but if i don't have to... that's a good tripod.

Also, what is the expected life of a camera like this one? I've been looking at classifieds and everyone asks hours. Does that matter with a Solid State Media camera?

Thanks!

Andy Wilkinson · February 17th, 2011, 04:06 PM

Hi Paul, in environments with lots of salt water/spray the life of the cam might not be that long - if this is sea sailing - so maybe go for the cheaper XF100 - and even then protect it and clean it often!

Jim Martin · February 17th, 2011, 04:31 PM

Get the 105 if you need to do 3D or you want to record to even a higher codec......otherwise, get the 100

Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

Andy Solaini · February 17th, 2011, 06:07 PM

Paul I too am pretty new to this but when I was getting my XF300 the guy at the dealers said if you don't really plan to do much studio shooting or have loads of peripherals attached then don't bother with the 05 and get the cheaper 00.

Paul Owens · February 17th, 2011, 08:40 PM

Thanks guys. I think I'll be fine with the XF100. For what I'm planning, I don't see needing a higher codex or attaching much to it other then a wireless mic but that would go to the XLR's anyway. I really don't see doing 3d. If I ever did plan to do any of that... I'd be making more then enough to get a different camera. The new ones would be out by then anyway.

I appreciate the info.

Glen Vandermolen · February 17th, 2011, 09:27 PM

I don't see why anyone would need more than the 50mbps, 4:2:2 codec, at least for normal usage. That's why I went with the XF305 over a Sony EX1R/3. I wanted that codec!

Gary Barr · February 18th, 2011, 08:01 AM

Hey Paul,

To be honest, couldn't you save even more and get the XA10 as it sounds like you don't need the codec improvement and it's basically the same camera inside other than that? Just protect it even more as it's not as robust as the XFs.

Gary.

Paul Owens · February 18th, 2011, 08:57 AM

I had thought of that, but I got away from the XA10 for a few reasons. Let me know if my thinking's off.

1. I am learning and the XF100 is a Pro Camera with similar controls to other pro cameras. I feel that the skills/knowledge i learn on that one will translate better to other equipment in the future.

2. For the foreseeable future this will be my only camera. I do not want to be in a situation where I need more the the XA10 can give.

3. Quality of the build. I've been reading a lot that says the XF is just a better built camera

4. I've had REAL bad luck with internal HD camera's in the past going bad and loosing files. I know that I could back up onto SD cards, but why would I want to pay for something that I really don't want when you know other things were sacrificed to have the Hard Drive in there and still keep the price reasonable.

5. I think it's just a bit too small.

Jean-Philippe Archibald · February 18th, 2011, 09:12 AM

And on the XA10 you don't have the full control on the pictures presets and setting you have on the XF

Gary Barr · February 18th, 2011, 10:31 AM

Fair enough, I agree actually now that I know what you're after. Although the XA10 isn't a hard drive cam as far as I know, it's internal flash memory, which I've never had a problem with. Plus I think it's got SD card slots if you want to use those.

Paul Owens · February 18th, 2011, 11:38 AM

So, as long as I can get it in writing/contract I've got a gig that's paying for most of this camera! Rather then start a new thread, I'm wondering what else I just HAVE to have to make this work.

The gig is shooting 22 lacrosse games for a local high school. (I'm a sailor and will specialize in that but this is some easy money and experience.) They want the game filmed and footage burned to DVD for the coach. I'll be financing the gear so here's what I think I need. Let me know if there's anything I'm missing.

Canon XF-100
2x Sandisk Extreme Pro 32gb Compactflash cards.
Manfrotto 504HD Head w/546B tripod (or similar)
an extra battery
a UV filter
a polarized filter
a Camera Case
a rain slicker for the camera.
and possibly a Lectrosonics 100 series set of transmitter, receiver, and lavaliere mic.

Any further advice? Know anywhere I can get this all together and save a few bucks? B&H has good prices, but I was wondering if I can get some kind of package deal since i need it all.

Thanks!

Andy Solaini · February 18th, 2011, 11:54 AM

Paul sorry to disrupt things but have you looked at the JVC HM100? From what I can gather it's a very good camera and gets good reviews. On the face of it it looks pretty similar to the XF100 but lower codec.

Philip Lipetz · February 18th, 2011, 12:26 PM

... Much worse low light than the XF100.

Charles W. Hull · February 18th, 2011, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen Vandermolen

I don't see why anyone would need more than the 50mbps, 4:2:2 codec, at least for normal usage. That's why I went with the XF305 over a Sony EX1R/3. I wanted that codec!

I have a question. With the XF100 could you use a nanoFlash via the HDMI and get a higher bitrate codec?

This is somewhat academic, the 50mbs 4:2:2 codec is perfectly fine for me and I have an XF100 ordered, but I am curious about whether the HDMI port could be used, and what the tradeoffs might be.

Erik Norgaard · February 18th, 2011, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Owens

Canon XF-100
2x Sandisk Extreme Pro 32gb Compactflash cards.
Manfrotto 504HD Head w/546B tripod (or similar)
an extra battery
a UV filter
a polarized filter
a Camera Case
a rain slicker for the camera.
and possibly a Lectrosonics 100 series set of transmitter, receiver, and lavaliere mic.

I would skip the polarized filter, you can't operate it with the lens hood and it's of little use I think. Only if you're filming behind glass you may need one to reduce reflections.

In stead, you might need one or two ND filters. There were some reporting problems with the ND filter of the XF300, the XF100 may suffer from the same.

You may want to add a shotgun mic, if they value sound enough that you need lavaliere I suppose they also value sound for the field.

You may need to add the attachable teleconverter to your kit. For field sports the 10x zoom may not be enough.

Shooting sports, in particular with a large field, I think is tricky with only one camera. You need to be well above ground, and you might actually need two cams to cover the field unless you're a good steady runner. But, I suppose the coach is not after TV style sport report but rather the overview for tactical studies.

Not that I have any experience in the above, just my is it 5 cents now?

BR, Erik

February 17th, 2011, 04:02 PM	#1
Paul Owens Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 103	Should I get the XF100 or 105? Ok, I need some advice. If I let you know what I foresee myself shooting can you help recommending between these 2? I'm sure the XF100 will be fine for now, but I'm very new to this all but want to grow and don't want to be in a position where I HAVE to upgrade. Main uses 1. on the water sailing footage. 2. on shore boat setup footage 3. indoor and outdoor training clinic/lecture footage 4. Run-and-gun interviews at regattas 5. corporate videos (tours of facilities...) Less often uses 1. weddings (mostly only people I know) 2. Ballet recitals (teacher said if i shoot some behind the scenes and event stuff we can barter for my daughters classes:-) I'm really being drawn to this camera due to the size (I'll not only be in tight spaces but also traveling quite a bit.) I also like the solid state recording. I just don't know what I would ever plug into the genlock and HDSD-SDI ports. I'll spend the extra $k but if i don't have to... that's a good tripod. Also, what is the expected life of a camera like this one? I've been looking at classifieds and everyone asks hours. Does that matter with a Solid State Media camera? Thanks!

February 17th, 2011, 04:06 PM	#2
Andy Wilkinson Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 2,853	Hi Paul, in environments with lots of salt water/spray the life of the cam might not be that long - if this is sea sailing - so maybe go for the cheaper XF100 - and even then protect it and clean it often! __________________ Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production

February 18th, 2011, 09:12 AM	#9
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	And on the XA10 you don't have the full control on the pictures presets and setting you have on the XF __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

February 17th, 2011, 04:31 PM	#3
Jim Martin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Burbank, CA 91502 Posts: 949	Get the 105 if you need to do 3D or you want to record to even a higher codec......otherwise, get the 100 Jim Martin FilmTools.com

February 17th, 2011, 06:07 PM	#4
Andy Solaini Major Player Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 223	Paul I too am pretty new to this but when I was getting my XF300 the guy at the dealers said if you don't really plan to do much studio shooting or have loads of peripherals attached then don't bother with the 05 and get the cheaper 00.

February 17th, 2011, 08:40 PM	#5
Paul Owens Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 103	Thanks guys. I think I'll be fine with the XF100. For what I'm planning, I don't see needing a higher codex or attaching much to it other then a wireless mic but that would go to the XLR's anyway. I really don't see doing 3d. If I ever did plan to do any of that... I'd be making more then enough to get a different camera. The new ones would be out by then anyway. I appreciate the info.

February 17th, 2011, 09:27 PM	#6
Glen Vandermolen Space Hipster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,596	I don't see why anyone would need more than the 50mbps, 4:2:2 codec, at least for normal usage. That's why I went with the XF305 over a Sony EX1R/3. I wanted that codec!

February 18th, 2011, 08:01 AM	#7
Gary Barr Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 186	Hey Paul, To be honest, couldn't you save even more and get the XA10 as it sounds like you don't need the codec improvement and it's basically the same camera inside other than that? Just protect it even more as it's not as robust as the XFs. Gary.

February 18th, 2011, 08:57 AM	#8
Paul Owens Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 103	I had thought of that, but I got away from the XA10 for a few reasons. Let me know if my thinking's off. 1. I am learning and the XF100 is a Pro Camera with similar controls to other pro cameras. I feel that the skills/knowledge i learn on that one will translate better to other equipment in the future. 2. For the foreseeable future this will be my only camera. I do not want to be in a situation where I need more the the XA10 can give. 3. Quality of the build. I've been reading a lot that says the XF is just a better built camera 4. I've had REAL bad luck with internal HD camera's in the past going bad and loosing files. I know that I could back up onto SD cards, but why would I want to pay for something that I really don't want when you know other things were sacrificed to have the Hard Drive in there and still keep the price reasonable. 5. I think it's just a bit too small.

February 18th, 2011, 10:31 AM	#10
Gary Barr Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 186	Fair enough, I agree actually now that I know what you're after. Although the XA10 isn't a hard drive cam as far as I know, it's internal flash memory, which I've never had a problem with. Plus I think it's got SD card slots if you want to use those.

February 18th, 2011, 11:38 AM	#11
Paul Owens Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 103	So, as long as I can get it in writing/contract I've got a gig that's paying for most of this camera! Rather then start a new thread, I'm wondering what else I just HAVE to have to make this work. The gig is shooting 22 lacrosse games for a local high school. (I'm a sailor and will specialize in that but this is some easy money and experience.) They want the game filmed and footage burned to DVD for the coach. I'll be financing the gear so here's what I think I need. Let me know if there's anything I'm missing. Canon XF-100 2x Sandisk Extreme Pro 32gb Compactflash cards. Manfrotto 504HD Head w/546B tripod (or similar) an extra battery a UV filter a polarized filter a Camera Case a rain slicker for the camera. and possibly a Lectrosonics 100 series set of transmitter, receiver, and lavaliere mic. Any further advice? Know anywhere I can get this all together and save a few bucks? B&H has good prices, but I was wondering if I can get some kind of package deal since i need it all. Thanks!

February 18th, 2011, 11:54 AM	#12
Andy Solaini Major Player Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 223	Paul sorry to disrupt things but have you looked at the JVC HM100? From what I can gather it's a very good camera and gets good reviews. On the face of it it looks pretty similar to the XF100 but lower codec.

February 18th, 2011, 12:26 PM	#13
Philip Lipetz Major Player Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 273	... Much worse low light than the XF100.