Next week is June already, and still no official price from Canon ? at DVinfo.net

Tans Mark · May 25th, 2010, 06:12 AM

Hello,

As Canon wrote something like the XF 300 / 305 will be available in June, it is suprising to see their is no official price promoted. Next week is June, but still there is nothing.

To sum it up: any news about the price of these cams ?

Jim Martin · May 31st, 2010, 12:01 PM

At list price, the cameras have a very small % mark up so don't expect much of a drop.

Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

Allan Black · June 16th, 2010, 04:20 PM

June 17 and no confirmed price yet?

Daniel Caruso · June 16th, 2010, 06:14 PM

maybe your way allan, here in canada, Vistek has the cameras up for pre order with a decent price level and estimated delivery of june 25th.

Canon XF300 HD Camcorder w/18x HD L-Series Lens Pro Camcorders 4457B001 - Vistek Canada Product Detail

i was hoping for a little less for price, but it is still cheaper than the ex1 and also has a lower price than list for canada.

this weekend is canadas first video expo, so i am eager to not only see the demo canon has for the XF line, but also further release and price. but Vistek is a respected pro video retailer with great service, what they say on the website is almost certain not going to change.

dan

Dom Stevenson · June 17th, 2010, 04:24 AM

Well the UK prices are out now. Here's one:

Canon XF300 HD Camcorder - Only £6,168.75 - Park Cameras Online

Double the price of the XHA1 and more than an EX1. And that's for the cheaper version.

Ouch!

Jeff Anselmo · June 19th, 2010, 12:08 PM

Hi Daniel,

Is that just Vistek's promo for the XFs? You're right that the XF cams are a bit cheaper than the EX1Rs. Are the Sonys just better selling out there?

I guess I'll wait and see if B and H's final pricing will stay current...

Daniel Caruso · June 21st, 2010, 08:45 AM

thats a good question, im not sure exactly but my guess is it will stay that price. doesnt say its a promo price, maybe thats their respond to it being a high price. if it was higher than the ex1r, i couldnt see them selling many. even at the 200cdn difference im having a hard time deciding. and canon always bothered me that they make you pay for hd/sdi out, for 1000cdn i could get it, for for 200cdn more the sony has it and bigger chips. depends if the 15 more mbps prove to be worth it, im going to guess maybe not.

dan

David Chilson · June 29th, 2010, 05:38 AM

B&H has the 305 in stock and it's price is $7999.

Tans Mark · June 29th, 2010, 06:18 AM

If this is the final price then it seems that Canon don't want to sell lot of such xf305 and xf300 cameras. The maximum it worth is about 5000 usd.

Will wait for next year, probably the used ones will be cheaper.

Jim Martin · June 29th, 2010, 05:21 PM

Tans-
By what means would you make that statement? This camera is aimed right at the EX's which, I believe, the current EX3 sells for around, let me see, $7500-$8000USD.....and it records at a much higher codec with much better glass.

Jim Martin
FilmTools.com

Nick Wilcox-Brown · June 30th, 2010, 09:53 AM

Tans,

With respect, I think you are missing the mark. This is not an XH series replacement, this is a camera at a much higher level and as such, is a actually a very cheap camera for what I strongly suspect is the target market. 50Mbs and 4:2:2 colour are broadcast specifications.

Nick.

Tom Roper · June 30th, 2010, 10:20 AM

No one has even seen the glass to be pronouncing such early superlatives. The XH and XL series had significant chromatic abberations. The Fuji lens on the EX is much better, which is also sharp and has auto lens aberration correction. Having owned both, the XF has a lot farther to row before getting crowned for having much better glass than the EX.

I am sure XF is an awesome camera, but so is the EX which has been around for several years now.

Bruce Rawlings · June 30th, 2010, 10:51 AM

I think NIck's pictures demonstrate that the pictures look pretty good. Alan Roberts has given a pretty good report so it maybe a camera to consider for some work. Canon appear to have thought through the needs of an operator that needs to keep aperture around 5.6 by fitting three ND filters from what I can see on the spec.

Nick Wilcox-Brown · June 30th, 2010, 11:06 AM

Tom,

I'm well aware that the previous Canon camcorders had significant CA issues, the old XHA-1 lens was an issue. However, I have been working with Zeiss, Schneider Kreuznach and Hasselblad glass (and of course Canon) in the stills world for over 20 years. Much of my work is shot with the equivalent of 8k video cameras (a 40Mpixel digital back by Phase One), so I'm fussy about my glass.

Having used the XF305 for several weeks in pre-production form, I am very impressed with the lens - it is a very significant step forwards for video cameras at this price level; it would seem that the limiting factor now is 1080, not lens resolution? Roll on 4k...

The independent test by Alan Roberts specifically tested lens resolution - it is available under the this thread http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-xf...nt-report.html. The Sony EX report by the same author is also available online, I will add it to that same thread for people to make their own assessments.

Nick.

May 25th, 2010, 06:12 AM	#1
Tans Mark Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: EU Posts: 60	Next week is June already, and still no official price from Canon ? Hello, As Canon wrote something like the XF 300 / 305 will be available in June, it is suprising to see their is no official price promoted. Next week is June, but still there is nothing. To sum it up: any news about the price of these cams ?

June 16th, 2010, 04:20 PM	#3
Allan Black Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney. Posts: 2,931	June 17 and no confirmed price yet? __________________ Drink more tap water. On admission at Sydney hospitals more than 5% of day patients are de-hydrated.

June 19th, 2010, 12:08 PM	#6
Jeff Anselmo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 566	Hi Daniel, Is that just Vistek's promo for the XFs? You're right that the XF cams are a bit cheaper than the EX1Rs. Are the Sonys just better selling out there? I guess I'll wait and see if B and H's final pricing will stay current... __________________ --JA Last edited by Jeff Anselmo; June 19th, 2010 at 12:09 PM. Reason: added material

June 29th, 2010, 05:38 AM	#8
David Chilson Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Walworth, NY Posts: 292	B&H has the 305 in stock and it's price is $7999. __________________ Dave Chilson www.loc.org

June 30th, 2010, 09:53 AM	#11
Nick Wilcox-Brown Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 231	Tans, With respect, I think you are missing the mark. This is not an XH series replacement, this is a camera at a much higher level and as such, is a actually a very cheap camera for what I strongly suspect is the target market. 50Mbs and 4:2:2 colour are broadcast specifications. Nick. __________________ Nick Wilcox-Brown, Film-maker and Photographer https://nickwb.com https://wildphotographer.co.uk

May 31st, 2010, 12:01 PM	#2
Jim Martin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Burbank, CA 91502 Posts: 949	At list price, the cameras have a very small % mark up so don't expect much of a drop. Jim Martin FilmTools.com

June 16th, 2010, 06:14 PM	#4
Daniel Caruso Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Newmarket, Ontario Posts: 90	maybe your way allan, here in canada, Vistek has the cameras up for pre order with a decent price level and estimated delivery of june 25th. Canon XF300 HD Camcorder w/18x HD L-Series Lens Pro Camcorders 4457B001 - Vistek Canada Product Detail i was hoping for a little less for price, but it is still cheaper than the ex1 and also has a lower price than list for canada. this weekend is canadas first video expo, so i am eager to not only see the demo canon has for the XF line, but also further release and price. but Vistek is a respected pro video retailer with great service, what they say on the website is almost certain not going to change. dan

June 17th, 2010, 04:24 AM	#5
Dom Stevenson Major Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: London UK Posts: 430	Well the UK prices are out now. Here's one: Canon XF300 HD Camcorder - Only £6,168.75 - Park Cameras Online Double the price of the XHA1 and more than an EX1. And that's for the cheaper version. Ouch!

June 21st, 2010, 08:45 AM	#7
Daniel Caruso Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Newmarket, Ontario Posts: 90	thats a good question, im not sure exactly but my guess is it will stay that price. doesnt say its a promo price, maybe thats their respond to it being a high price. if it was higher than the ex1r, i couldnt see them selling many. even at the 200cdn difference im having a hard time deciding. and canon always bothered me that they make you pay for hd/sdi out, for 1000cdn i could get it, for for 200cdn more the sony has it and bigger chips. depends if the 15 more mbps prove to be worth it, im going to guess maybe not. dan

June 29th, 2010, 06:18 AM	#9
Tans Mark Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: EU Posts: 60	If this is the final price then it seems that Canon don't want to sell lot of such xf305 and xf300 cameras. The maximum it worth is about 5000 usd. Will wait for next year, probably the used ones will be cheaper.

June 29th, 2010, 05:21 PM	#10
Jim Martin Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Burbank, CA 91502 Posts: 949	Tans- By what means would you make that statement? This camera is aimed right at the EX's which, I believe, the current EX3 sells for around, let me see, $7500-$8000USD.....and it records at a much higher codec with much better glass. Jim Martin FilmTools.com

June 30th, 2010, 10:20 AM	#12
Tom Roper Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,891	No one has even seen the glass to be pronouncing such early superlatives. The XH and XL series had significant chromatic abberations. The Fuji lens on the EX is much better, which is also sharp and has auto lens aberration correction. Having owned both, the XF has a lot farther to row before getting crowned for having much better glass than the EX. I am sure XF is an awesome camera, but so is the EX which has been around for several years now.

June 30th, 2010, 10:51 AM	#13
Bruce Rawlings Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff, Wales, UK Posts: 410	I think NIck's pictures demonstrate that the pictures look pretty good. Alan Roberts has given a pretty good report so it maybe a camera to consider for some work. Canon appear to have thought through the needs of an operator that needs to keep aperture around 5.6 by fitting three ND filters from what I can see on the spec.

June 30th, 2010, 11:06 AM	#14
Nick Wilcox-Brown Major Player Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 231	Tom, I'm well aware that the previous Canon camcorders had significant CA issues, the old XHA-1 lens was an issue. However, I have been working with Zeiss, Schneider Kreuznach and Hasselblad glass (and of course Canon) in the stills world for over 20 years. Much of my work is shot with the equivalent of 8k video cameras (a 40Mpixel digital back by Phase One), so I'm fussy about my glass. Having used the XF305 for several weeks in pre-production form, I am very impressed with the lens - it is a very significant step forwards for video cameras at this price level; it would seem that the limiting factor now is 1080, not lens resolution? Roll on 4k... The independent test by Alan Roberts specifically tested lens resolution - it is available under the this thread http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-xf...nt-report.html. The Sony EX report by the same author is also available online, I will add it to that same thread for people to make their own assessments. Nick. __________________ Nick Wilcox-Brown, Film-maker and Photographer https://nickwb.com https://wildphotographer.co.uk Last edited by Nick Wilcox-Brown; June 30th, 2010 at 12:08 PM.