HV20 Scene detection at DVinfo.net

Colin Sato · July 5th, 2007, 03:44 AM

I borrowed a HV20 to use as a second camera in a shoot today. I took the tape and put it into my older Sony HC-85 to upload to my computer and Vegas 6.0d. The footage was shot in SD and 4:3 to keep things simple with all the other camcorders there.

When I uploaded to video, Vegas captured the HV20 clips as one long clip! Do I need to use the HV20 to transfer the video to get clips at each "pause?" Is there a setting on the camera that will create clips? Hopefully this is a setting that does not need to be made BEFORE you record the footage! Before I manually split up the 1 hour video, someone please tell me there is a better way!

Nathan Shane · July 5th, 2007, 07:15 AM

Did you make sure the "Enable DV scene detection" was enabled in Vegas' VidCap (under Preferences/Capture)

Colin Sato · July 5th, 2007, 01:11 PM

Yes, that setting is correct. I forgot to mention that the video shot on the Sony captured properly and displayed clips.

Azril Aziz · July 8th, 2007, 10:31 AM

have you set the clock/date in your camcorder? I got the same problem with my Sony VX2100. After setting up the clock, then vegas will capture split videos.You can try this solution with your HV20.

Eugenia Loli-Queru · July 8th, 2007, 11:48 AM

This is known limitation -- one that really made me angry when I discovered it on Vegas Movie Studio 7 Platinum that I bought just 20 days ago. You have to either buy Vegas 7 Pro *and* update to 7e version, or buy Vegas Movie Studio 8 Platinum which came out last Monday which enables the feature. If Sony had any degree of gentleman-ship, they would have released updates for VMS7 as they did for Vegas Pro 7, but they didn't release anything at all to fix their bugs, and instead, they pushed VMS to version 8, so we all had to buy an update. Personally, I am bummed about this situation, but what can you do?

Colin Gould · July 8th, 2007, 12:20 PM

DV should be DV (you mentioned you recorded in SD), the timestamp datastream shouldn't be proprietary etc, so it should have worked across cameras. Unless there is something specific about Vegas "driver" support for Canons specifically, it should have worked (the later versions Eugenia mentions below are for HDV scene detection.)

The "set clock" question is a good one, when you play the tape back in your Sony, and you enable "display data" in the camcorder display, does it show time-of-day and other lens metadata? If it shows the date correctly, scene split should work. If it doesn't show anything, then maybe the Sony can't read Canon DV metadata, which sounds wierd.

Not exactly the same as your situation, but I've successfully captured w/ scene detection HDV footage from the HV10 set to "DV Locked" in Ulead MSPro8 which supports DV scene detection (but not on HDV), and I've also done for previous recorded DV tapes (from a different Canon Optura.)

Eugenia Loli-Queru · July 8th, 2007, 12:27 PM

HDV is a bit different AFAIK because the m2t is a bit different. With Vegas, unless you have Pro v7e, or VMS v8a, it won't work. It's a known limitation, and in fact, Sony advertises it as a "new feature" on VMS 8 (which was of course just enough to fuel my fury about this).

July 5th, 2007, 03:44 AM	#1
Colin Sato Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Honolulu Posts: 85	HV20 Scene detection I borrowed a HV20 to use as a second camera in a shoot today. I took the tape and put it into my older Sony HC-85 to upload to my computer and Vegas 6.0d. The footage was shot in SD and 4:3 to keep things simple with all the other camcorders there. When I uploaded to video, Vegas captured the HV20 clips as one long clip! Do I need to use the HV20 to transfer the video to get clips at each "pause?" Is there a setting on the camera that will create clips? Hopefully this is a setting that does not need to be made BEFORE you record the footage! Before I manually split up the 1 hour video, someone please tell me there is a better way!

July 5th, 2007, 07:15 AM	#2
Nathan Shane Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Addison, Texas Posts: 178	Did you make sure the "Enable DV scene detection" was enabled in Vegas' VidCap (under Preferences/Capture)

July 5th, 2007, 01:11 PM	#3
Colin Sato Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Location: Honolulu Posts: 85	Yes, that setting is correct. I forgot to mention that the video shot on the Sony captured properly and displayed clips.

July 8th, 2007, 10:31 AM	#4
Azril Aziz Tourist Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malaysia Posts: 3	have you set the clock/date in your camcorder? I got the same problem with my Sony VX2100. After setting up the clock, then vegas will capture split videos.You can try this solution with your HV20.

July 8th, 2007, 11:48 AM	#5
Eugenia Loli-Queru Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA, USA Posts: 348	This is known limitation -- one that really made me angry when I discovered it on Vegas Movie Studio 7 Platinum that I bought just 20 days ago. You have to either buy Vegas 7 Pro and update to 7e version, or buy Vegas Movie Studio 8 Platinum which came out last Monday which enables the feature. If Sony had any degree of gentleman-ship, they would have released updates for VMS7 as they did for Vegas Pro 7, but they didn't release anything at all to fix their bugs, and instead, they pushed VMS to version 8, so we all had to buy an update. Personally, I am bummed about this situation, but what can you do?

July 8th, 2007, 12:20 PM	#6
Colin Gould Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Foster City, CA Posts: 123	DV should be DV (you mentioned you recorded in SD), the timestamp datastream shouldn't be proprietary etc, so it should have worked across cameras. Unless there is something specific about Vegas "driver" support for Canons specifically, it should have worked (the later versions Eugenia mentions below are for HDV scene detection.) The "set clock" question is a good one, when you play the tape back in your Sony, and you enable "display data" in the camcorder display, does it show time-of-day and other lens metadata? If it shows the date correctly, scene split should work. If it doesn't show anything, then maybe the Sony can't read Canon DV metadata, which sounds wierd. Not exactly the same as your situation, but I've successfully captured w/ scene detection HDV footage from the HV10 set to "DV Locked" in Ulead MSPro8 which supports DV scene detection (but not on HDV), and I've also done for previous recorded DV tapes (from a different Canon Optura.)

July 8th, 2007, 12:27 PM	#7
Eugenia Loli-Queru Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA, USA Posts: 348	HDV is a bit different AFAIK because the m2t is a bit different. With Vegas, unless you have Pro v7e, or VMS v8a, it won't work. It's a known limitation, and in fact, Sony advertises it as a "new feature" on VMS 8 (which was of course just enough to fuel my fury about this).