An automated Vegas 24p workflow..

Mike Dulay · May 24th, 2007, 06:05 PM

Duane, do any of your directories or filenames contain any spaces? Try it with a straight file with a short name.

Tim Haas · May 27th, 2007, 04:00 PM

hey everyone, how do.
i recently got an hv20 and have been lurking trying to absorb all the knowledge i could. today i chanced across a 1394 cable and finally got around to capturing some video. the capture process over hdvsplit couldn't have been smoother, i can watch the .m2t files via videolan/vlc just fine, and i can manually demux them with dgindex with no error. however, when i try to run a clip through hv20pulldown.exe, it crashes in-between dgindex and virtualdub, throwing this error:

"Avisynth Open Failure:
TFM: d2v file is not a d2v file or is of unsupported format!
(C:\HV20\work\test_.avs, line 4)"

now, when i run the m2t file through dgindex manually, the resultant video file is around 50 megabytes. when i attempt to use this app, the file comes out to 1k. the audio file is around 775kb each time. clearly something is affecting the way dgindex is handling my video. what gives, a/v jedis? anyone have any suggestions? is this what happens because when i manually try dgindex, i choose "save project and demux video" and pulldown.exe just saves the project? can i try and convince pulldown.exe to do so?

many thanks in advance.
(i would sign my name, but it's right over there...)

Ajit Bikram · May 27th, 2007, 04:13 PM

Did you copy the DGdecode.dll to avisynth plugin folder?
I think thats the problem.

Tim Haas · May 27th, 2007, 04:18 PM

thanks for the überfast reply! actually, i just did a little searching and it says tivtc must be v.1.0.1 and not v.1.0b4... silly me. crisis averted, but your assistance is much appreciated :)

Ajit Bikram · May 27th, 2007, 04:22 PM

Bitte! (It seems you speak German!)
Oh Ya! That version problem is there too!! Great that its working for you now!
Enjoy!

Matthias Krause · May 27th, 2007, 10:08 PM

You can find the correct version of the TIVT plugin (TIVTCv101.zip) here: http://bengal.missouri.edu/~kes25c/old_stuff/

But I have a new problem. It says:
Avisynth open failure:
Script error: Invalid arguments to funtion "Delay Audio"
(E:\ViedeoPulldown\CFHDCap_.avs, line 7)

Has anybody any clue what that is and how to fix it?
Thanks,
Matthias

Steve Szudzik · May 28th, 2007, 12:55 AM

Make sure your using VirtualDubMod and not VirtualDub, though I don't think thats necessarily the problem. VDub regular errors out earlier than that on the stream items.

In your CFHDCap_.avs file, what is the line that contains DelayAudio? It should be a number..

Steve

Matthias Krause · May 28th, 2007, 10:40 AM

finally found it. It says: "DelayAudio(0,003)"

Steve Szudzik · May 28th, 2007, 10:58 AM

Ok, that certainly doesn't seem right. I noticed you have a .de email, are you running German version of Windows? I'm thinking that the globalization features of .Net are causing the issue with the delay audio setting for you. The value should be in total milliseconds, so no ',' mark. Now, if you could find a german version of DGIndex... ; )

I updated my executable to force a specific globalization. I don't have a "language" machine here to validate on, but it should force it to use the English notation.

Try the updated exe at: http://www.szudzik.net/vegas/scripts/HV20Pulldown.exe

If that doesn't work, then I'll just brute force it for you. Let me know..

--Steve

Matthias Krause · May 28th, 2007, 05:29 PM

Steve, downloaded the new .exe - and it works!!!!
While I'm German I don't use a German Windows version anymore, I bought my current XP here in NYC. But some of my language setting are for "Deutsch" like in Word. Maybe that was the problem? Who knows... Thank you so much, great work!

Steve Szudzik · May 28th, 2007, 05:46 PM

Glad that took care of it. I guess your my first "localized" customer! Who knew Windows would make it so easy ;)

Rick Barr · May 31st, 2007, 01:57 PM

Hello,

I was able to get 24P Pulldown to work fairly easily, but when I use Lagarith Lossless, the resulting file is distorted and the video is slow, almost choppy. The audio plays normal in the background, finishes, then the video is still playing. I tried opening the file in Vegas Movie Studio and rendering it as a WMV, which helped the slowness, but not the distortion. I am only using Movie Studio 4.0, and thinking maybe it's not recent enough to support my HD needs?

Does anyone have any suggestions? I've heard that using uncompressed AVI is generally fine as far as quality, but for right now, disk space is at a premium.

Mike Dulay · May 31st, 2007, 03:57 PM

Rick, try reencoding in XViD HiDef profile with 4000K bit rate. This encodes a lossy method but lets you see motion. Check if you can still see the distortion. Can you describe it?

Rick Barr · June 1st, 2007, 09:09 AM

When you say reencode, do you mean taking the raw .m2t file and running it through 24p Pulldown again? I don't have an option there for XVid HiDef, do you know where I could find that? Is it a settings profile or a codec?

The distorition is like something was filmed in widescreen and now you're watching on 4:3 but the aspect ratio is messed up, and everything was squeezed in from the sides, resulting in an elongated picture.

Ajit Bikram · June 1st, 2007, 10:32 AM

Rick,
I think I know what you are talking about. I have also seen the same thing (video moving slow; audio finishes but video continues and the frames look 4:3 i.e. squashed) while using Lagarith Lossless codec.
What you could do is to read the avi file in NLE (say vegas), drop it in the timeline, right-click property and fix the pixel aspect ratio. I did that and the footage is fine.

May 24th, 2007, 06:05 PM	#61
Mike Dulay Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Somerville, NJ Posts: 304	Duane, do any of your directories or filenames contain any spaces? Try it with a straight file with a short name. __________________ DIY, 35mm, HV20: http://www.primitivebuteffective.net

May 31st, 2007, 03:57 PM	#73
Mike Dulay Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Somerville, NJ Posts: 304	Rick, try reencoding in XViD HiDef profile with 4000K bit rate. This encodes a lossy method but lets you see motion. Check if you can still see the distortion. Can you describe it? __________________ DIY, 35mm, HV20: http://www.primitivebuteffective.net

May 27th, 2007, 04:00 PM	#62
Tim Haas New Boot Join Date: May 2007 Location: Yorkville IL Posts: 6	hey everyone, how do. i recently got an hv20 and have been lurking trying to absorb all the knowledge i could. today i chanced across a 1394 cable and finally got around to capturing some video. the capture process over hdvsplit couldn't have been smoother, i can watch the .m2t files via videolan/vlc just fine, and i can manually demux them with dgindex with no error. however, when i try to run a clip through hv20pulldown.exe, it crashes in-between dgindex and virtualdub, throwing this error: "Avisynth Open Failure: TFM: d2v file is not a d2v file or is of unsupported format! (C:\HV20\work\test_.avs, line 4)" now, when i run the m2t file through dgindex manually, the resultant video file is around 50 megabytes. when i attempt to use this app, the file comes out to 1k. the audio file is around 775kb each time. clearly something is affecting the way dgindex is handling my video. what gives, a/v jedis? anyone have any suggestions? is this what happens because when i manually try dgindex, i choose "save project and demux video" and pulldown.exe just saves the project? can i try and convince pulldown.exe to do so? many thanks in advance. (i would sign my name, but it's right over there...)

May 27th, 2007, 04:13 PM	#63
Ajit Bikram Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 71	Did you copy the DGdecode.dll to avisynth plugin folder? I think thats the problem.

May 27th, 2007, 04:18 PM	#64
Tim Haas New Boot Join Date: May 2007 Location: Yorkville IL Posts: 6	thanks for the überfast reply! actually, i just did a little searching and it says tivtc must be v.1.0.1 and not v.1.0b4... silly me. crisis averted, but your assistance is much appreciated :)

May 27th, 2007, 04:22 PM	#65
Ajit Bikram Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 71	Bitte! (It seems you speak German!) Oh Ya! That version problem is there too!! Great that its working for you now! Enjoy!

May 27th, 2007, 10:08 PM	#66
Matthias Krause Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 203	You can find the correct version of the TIVT plugin (TIVTCv101.zip) here: http://bengal.missouri.edu/~kes25c/old_stuff/ But I have a new problem. It says: Avisynth open failure: Script error: Invalid arguments to funtion "Delay Audio" (E:\ViedeoPulldown\CFHDCap_.avs, line 7) Has anybody any clue what that is and how to fix it? Thanks, Matthias

May 28th, 2007, 12:55 AM	#67
Steve Szudzik Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sammamish, WA Posts: 103	Make sure your using VirtualDubMod and not VirtualDub, though I don't think thats necessarily the problem. VDub regular errors out earlier than that on the stream items. In your CFHDCap_.avs file, what is the line that contains DelayAudio? It should be a number.. Steve

May 28th, 2007, 10:40 AM	#68
Matthias Krause Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 203	finally found it. It says: "DelayAudio(0,003)"

May 28th, 2007, 10:58 AM	#69
Steve Szudzik Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sammamish, WA Posts: 103	Ok, that certainly doesn't seem right. I noticed you have a .de email, are you running German version of Windows? I'm thinking that the globalization features of .Net are causing the issue with the delay audio setting for you. The value should be in total milliseconds, so no ',' mark. Now, if you could find a german version of DGIndex... ; ) I updated my executable to force a specific globalization. I don't have a "language" machine here to validate on, but it should force it to use the English notation. Try the updated exe at: http://www.szudzik.net/vegas/scripts/HV20Pulldown.exe If that doesn't work, then I'll just brute force it for you. Let me know.. --Steve

May 28th, 2007, 05:29 PM	#70
Matthias Krause Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 203	Steve, downloaded the new .exe - and it works!!!! While I'm German I don't use a German Windows version anymore, I bought my current XP here in NYC. But some of my language setting are for "Deutsch" like in Word. Maybe that was the problem? Who knows... Thank you so much, great work!

May 28th, 2007, 05:46 PM	#71
Steve Szudzik Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sammamish, WA Posts: 103	Glad that took care of it. I guess your my first "localized" customer! Who knew Windows would make it so easy ;)

May 31st, 2007, 01:57 PM	#72
Rick Barr New Boot Join Date: May 2007 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 14	Hello, I was able to get 24P Pulldown to work fairly easily, but when I use Lagarith Lossless, the resulting file is distorted and the video is slow, almost choppy. The audio plays normal in the background, finishes, then the video is still playing. I tried opening the file in Vegas Movie Studio and rendering it as a WMV, which helped the slowness, but not the distortion. I am only using Movie Studio 4.0, and thinking maybe it's not recent enough to support my HD needs? Does anyone have any suggestions? I've heard that using uncompressed AVI is generally fine as far as quality, but for right now, disk space is at a premium.

June 1st, 2007, 09:09 AM	#74
Rick Barr New Boot Join Date: May 2007 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 14	When you say reencode, do you mean taking the raw .m2t file and running it through 24p Pulldown again? I don't have an option there for XVid HiDef, do you know where I could find that? Is it a settings profile or a codec? The distorition is like something was filmed in widescreen and now you're watching on 4:3 but the aspect ratio is messed up, and everything was squeezed in from the sides, resulting in an elongated picture.

June 1st, 2007, 10:32 AM	#75
Ajit Bikram Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 71	Rick, I think I know what you are talking about. I have also seen the same thing (video moving slow; audio finishes but video continues and the frames look 4:3 i.e. squashed) while using Lagarith Lossless codec. What you could do is to read the avi file in NLE (say vegas), drop it in the timeline, right-click property and fix the pixel aspect ratio. I did that and the footage is fine.