What "free" 24p workflow for Windows users?

[Steve Szudzik]

Yeah, the parsing was no problem. I was 99% sure of where you were getting it but just wanted to confirm that last 1% since I kept getting some zero MS delays. I've got the new AVI into the 24p timeline right now and am getting ready to try to render it out.

For the VDub settings, I'm keeping it really basic right now. What I did is just launched VDub, loaded the AVI and did a "Save As" but told it to create a job instead. Then I exported the Job to look at the script and sucked that into my app which I write back to disk with the updated files and then pass into VirtualDub at runtime. Below is the .syl file contents I'm currently using and a link to the VrituaDub script help. Long term, I'll probably make this more modifyable in the dialog to allow it to be customized better...

If you want, do what I mentioned above to get the jobs file and send me the contents. I'll try working that one in as well. Maybe just a checkbox that says "compressed" or "uncompressed". I'll get more options later ;)

--Steve

http://www.virtualdub.org/docs/vdscript.txt

VirtualDub.Open("C:\\Tools\\Working\\Short0001_.avs", "", 0);
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource(0x73647561, 0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].DeleteComments(1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].AdjustChapters(1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1, 500, 1, 0, 0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1, 1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0, 0, 0, 0, 0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.stream[0].EnableFilterGraph(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.video.DeleteComments(1);
VirtualDub.video.AdjustChapters(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24, 24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(3);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0, 1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0, 0, -1, 0);
VirtualDub.video.SetRange(0, 0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.Clear();
VirtualDub.subset.AddRange(0, 547);
VirtualDub.SaveAVI("C:\\Tools\\Working\\Short0001.avi");
VirtualDub.Close();

[Steve Szudzik]

Ok, seem to have the full workflow working at this point. Yaaaay!

You know, I never really poked around in VDub that much and was wondering what you were talking about (Mike) with the different codecs. Duh, of course it supports different codecs other than full uncompressed. I'll smack myself later and call myself stupid.

I also now have been able to utilize the cineform codec from Virtual Dub to produce the file. The output file from Virtual Dub looks totally disgusting (funky colors, greens and pinks) but placing it in the Vegas timeline and rendering it produces a gorgeous video. Not sure how I'll embed some of those options into the script though... gonna have to think about that one a little bit.

I'm going to clean the code up and try to tweak things, but should be posting the script later tonight.

-Steve

[Mike Dulay]

Nice!

About the Cineform codec, I found when I was playing around with Vegas that it came with it. You can try to call it directly from VirtualDub but it will complain that the calling program isn't licensed to work with cineform. It still produced a few seconds of video with a huge cineform logo emblazoned on the lower left corner (you probably had the trial version of cineform still active?). The output looked nice for what little it produced. So I wouldn't count on creating m2t directly from virtualdub but let vegas do it as you originally intended.

As for an intermediate avi codec ... it's probably this one:

VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();

I'll give it a try in a bit here. I'd recommend Lagrith as it produces files less than half the uncompressed size.

[Mike Dulay]

Uncompressed - Lossless
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource(0x73647561,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].DeleteComments(1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].AdjustChapters(1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,500,1,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.stream[0].EnableFilterGraph(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.video.DeleteComments(1);
VirtualDub.video.AdjustChapters(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(3);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression();
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();

Lagrith - Lossless
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource(0x73647561,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].DeleteComments(1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].AdjustChapters(1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,500,1,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.stream[0].EnableFilterGraph(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.video.DeleteComments(1);
VirtualDub.video.AdjustChapters(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(3);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x7367616c,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();

Huffyuv - Lossless
VirtualDub.RemoveInputStreams();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetSource(0x73647561,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].DeleteComments(1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].AdjustChapters(1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,500,1,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.stream[0].EnableFilterGraph(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.video.DeleteComments(1);
VirtualDub.video.AdjustChapters(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(3);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x75796668,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();

WMV9 - Lossy
VirtualDub.stream[0].AdjustChapters(1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetMode(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetInterleave(1,500,1,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetClipMode(1,1);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetConversion(0,0,0,0,0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetVolume();
VirtualDub.stream[0].SetCompression();
VirtualDub.stream[0].EnableFilterGraph(0);
VirtualDub.stream[0].filters.Clear();
VirtualDub.video.DeleteComments(1);
VirtualDub.video.AdjustChapters(1);
VirtualDub.video.SetDepth(24,24);
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(3);
VirtualDub.video.SetFrameRate(0,1);
VirtualDub.video.SetIVTC(0,0,-1,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompression(0x33766d77,0,10000,0);
VirtualDub.video.SetCompData(2976,"AwBNUwAAAABYGwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAnAAAsAQAAC gAAAICWmAAVFgUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAoAAAAHoAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAmoAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAABAAAAAwAAAIgTA AACAAAAAAAAAIBPEkEAAAAAQHcrQYgTAABQAAAAQB8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAA");
VirtualDub.video.filters.Clear();



Additionally

Fast Recompress mode:
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(1);

Full Processing mode:
VirtualDub.video.SetMode(3);

[Steve Szudzik]

Hey Mike,

I had installed the Cineform trial a bit ago but was unsupported on Vista. Another unsupported thing apparently was uninstalling it! It claimed it uninstalled, but there are still traces of it on my start menu as well as in the program files folder..

I'm working on the VDub script part of my dialog right now. I'm going to provide a drop-down with some defaults and also have a "custom" mode where you can specify your own settings if my template ones don't quite fit the bill. I'll use some of your sample pieces in the templates as well. I'd love to display the "select video compression" dialog like VDub does, but that'll take a bit more work and can wait for a while..

It's getting there!

- Steve

[Steve Szudzik]

Ok, looks like it won't be tonight. I've got the full workflow working the way I want and am just tidying up on a few things to make sure I am being nice and safe with things. I was previously deleting everything in the "working" folder each time the script ran (to keep it nice and clean). Now I'm just deleting the DGIndex generated AVS file. I am adding a "Clean" button that will delete everything in the working folder as well. It'll work as long as you agree not to sue me if you deleted something you didn't want to!

Other than that, the only thing left is to preserve the user defined options into the dialog. It's after midnight and I've got to get up early to do my real job, so that'll have to wait until I get home from work tomorrow.

I'm going to temporarily not have vegas re-render anything until I get a few more things figured out there. It works, but I'm not as happy with it as I could be. You can have the script load the output file into a new 24p timeline automatically though, that works great. Works best when you just have 1 file your processing, because I'll create a new project for each file (so I can render them independantly).

I should be able to get that done pretty quickly. I'm figuring I'll write it out to an XML file on disk. There'll be one that's an "auto load" preferences and also the ability to save off some different ones as template configurations. Probably about an hours worth of work or so. Well, that and some basic documentation on my web site for it as well..

--Steve

[Gavin Ouckama]

Using Mike's blog, I installed everything; however, when I drag the avs file over to VirtualDubMod it states that the d2v file is not in a valid format.

Any ideas? Has anyone else run into this?

My clip is about 2 minutes long. The DGIndex piece takes about 5 to 10 seconds. Is that normal?

[Steve Szudzik]

Did you copy the DGDEcode.dll plugin for DGIndex into the Plugins folder for AVISynth? I had a similar error my first go at it.

You can check if that's the issue by adding the below line at the top of you generated .AVS file:

loadplugin("c:\tools\dgindex\DGDecode.dll")

Just change the path of where DGDecode is located..

--Steve

[Mike Dulay]

Gavin, You need to make sure avisynth can find the DGDecode.dll. Like Steve said, you either copy it to the plugins folder (in avisynth) or add a LoadPlugin reference to tell it where it is.

Another thing to check, in the avs file make sure the dgindex directory specified in there is exactly where your dgindex.exe is installed.

And yes, DGIndex only runs for a few seconds. When you open it up it should looks something like this:

DGIndexProjectFile16
1
c:\clip\newtest-2007_05_01-18_16_43.m2t

Stream_Type=2
MPEG2_Transport_PID=810,814,134
Transport_Packet_Size=188
MPEG_Type=2
iDCT_Algorithm=6
YUVRGB_Scale=1
Luminance_Filter=0,0
Clipping=0,0,0,0
Aspect_Ratio=16:9
Picture_Size=1440x1080
Field_Operation=0
Frame_Rate=29970 (30000/1001)
Location=0,0,0,12f9c

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FINISHED 100.00% VIDEO

[Steve Szudzik]

I just created a new post for this, but my initial jab at the Vegas 24p workflow script is complete.

Here's a link to that thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...800#post680800

--Steve

[Dennis Wood]

Steve, thanks for your work on the standalone exe. I've got it working great..and it's infinitely faster than my previous workflow with aftereffects.

On your web page these two dead links need to be corrected to:

TIVTC plugin: http://avisynth.org/warpenterprises/...l_20060508.zip
MPAsource: http://www.avisynth.org/warpenterpri...l_20040109.zip

Also the .avs template file is not there..I just created a text file and copied this in:

v=MPEG2Source("__vid__")
a=MPASource("__aud__")
audiodub(v,a)
TFM(d2v="__vid__")
tdecimate()

[Steve Szudzik]

Thanks Dennis.

I'll update those links and put the template.avs contents up there as well. I'm not sure why the template.avs file won't download. Makes no sense to me. I can download it internally on my network, but not externally. The .EXE will download though. Very strange indeed.

--Steve

[Taky Cheung]

Originally Posted by David Newman

I know you're looking for a free solution, but give NEO HDV a try, it is free for 15-days, and you might like the single step low hassle workflow for 24p.

What's the difference between NEO HDV and AspectHD? I seem to understand AspectHD comes with all the bells and whistles to be used in Premiere Pro.. then what about NEO HDV? What will be the workflow of using NEO HDV? It's half the cost.. :)

[David Newman]

Originally Posted by Taky Cheung

What's the difference between NEO HDV and AspectHD? I seem to understand AspectHD comes with all the bells and whistles to be used in Premiere Pro.. then what about NEO HDV? What will be the workflow of using NEO HDV? It's half the cost.. :)

If you not using Premiere Pro, NEO HDV is an excellent solution. Premiere Pro however really benefits from the real-time acceleration Aspect HD offers. Both NEO and Aspect support 24p capture, pulldown extractions, and media conversions, and both have 15-day trials. You can use NEO HDV generated files with Premiere, but there will be no real-time support or integrated Premiere capture.

[Taky Cheung]

David,

Thanks for your information. SO what NeoHDV be used? Does it come with any NLE? Can I use NeoHDV to capture Cineform AVI then import to Premiere for editing?

Thanks

Taky