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Kaku Ito · April 21st, 2007, 01:00 PM

About working with HV20's 24p on FCP, I found this post in the FCP forum.

http://discussions.apple.com/message...387914#4387914

I tried this workflow by capturing AIC in FCP, then open the files in Cinematools and select the order patterns that Michael mentioned in the link. Then look at the saved file but ended up have the interlaced frame here and there. I tried every pattern but none worked properly.

Kaku Ito · April 21st, 2007, 02:07 PM

I found out that if the clip is AA pattern and it works....when it works it looks beautiful!

Here's a quick shot and quick result of the workflow.

http://www.xtream.ne.jp/en/component...,81/Itemid,68/

You need to register at the site.

Brandon Svec · April 21st, 2007, 04:49 PM

Can you explain the _BC_, _CD_ keys, etc in the apple post?

I understand the concept of the i and p frames and can see them, but am missing something here..

Thanks in advance.

Austin Meyers · April 21st, 2007, 04:54 PM

in regards to cinema tools the aa, bb, bc cd dd buttons just tell cinema tools where to start the cadence on the file it's going to process.

Kaku Ito · April 22nd, 2007, 10:05 AM

So far, for some reason, only AA cadance works for me, so I have to make every clip start with AA cadance but it works great.

Austin Meyers · April 23rd, 2007, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaku Ito

So far, for some reason, only AA cadance works for me, so I have to make every clip start with AA cadance but it works great.

that's strange, the only ones i have issues with are the ones that start with 2 interlaced frames, i've found no settings to that will process those correctly, although making each clip start with AA you can then batch them i believe.

Kaku Ito · April 23rd, 2007, 11:10 AM

Austin,

I tried every possible orders and combinations then that was what worked for me. Odd, but anyhow, setting the clips to AA cadance is not much problem to me at this point. It is great to have a way to edit 24P.

Batch works fine, too.

Norm Goodger · May 29th, 2007, 03:05 PM

from another discussion I found just to add it here too...

p-p-i-i-p - aa
p-i-i-p-p - bb
i-p-p-p-i - bc
p-p-p-i-i - cd

When using Cinema Tools to rev telecine..

If you can spot the order in your clip by viewing it, or place the play head at the beginning of a pppii, then it should work fine according to what I've read..

Kaku Ito · November 18th, 2007, 05:26 AM

Does anybody know if any of the above method work with FCP6 and DVCPRO HD codec file? Now the new Cinematool seems like read and initiate the reverse telecine on DVCPRO HD file, but never seems to work. I know it was only working for AIC before, but has anyone successfully reversetelecined the DVCPRO HD footage?

Kaku Ito · November 18th, 2007, 05:44 AM

I figured it out.

Same as my post above, make it on "AA", but one of the clip had to be set in the "capture mode" to be <Field 1 - Field 2> and the Fields to be <Style 2> and A1A2. I'm going to figure this out with other cadence patterns and I guess I have to look into Field 1 - Field 2 thing is depending on the capture timing (so ends up being inconsistent).

Ben Syverson · November 18th, 2007, 02:38 PM

This is a lot of work -- why not use this technique, posted by apple?

Tomas Chinchilla · November 18th, 2007, 06:48 PM

Dang.....

...Why the hell not just use JES De-Interlacer with the telecine option?????

I have been using it for quite sometime and results are great, of course I ussually end up encoding to ProRes but you can encode to anything really.

April 21st, 2007, 01:00 PM	#1
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Has anyone else tried this? About working with HV20's 24p on FCP, I found this post in the FCP forum. http://discussions.apple.com/message...387914#4387914 I tried this workflow by capturing AIC in FCP, then open the files in Cinematools and select the order patterns that Michael mentioned in the link. Then look at the saved file but ended up have the interlaced frame here and there. I tried every pattern but none worked properly.

April 21st, 2007, 02:07 PM	#2
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	I found out that if the clip is AA pattern and it works....when it works it looks beautiful! Here's a quick shot and quick result of the workflow. http://www.xtream.ne.jp/en/component...,81/Itemid,68/ You need to register at the site. Last edited by Kaku Ito; April 21st, 2007 at 02:55 PM.

November 18th, 2007, 06:48 PM	#12
Tomas Chinchilla Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 212 Images: 8	Dang..... ...Why the hell not just use JES De-Interlacer with the telecine option????? I have been using it for quite sometime and results are great, of course I ussually end up encoding to ProRes but you can encode to anything really. __________________ Tomas A. Chinchilla \| CANON XH A1, HV20 & HC3 \| Retired Cams: GL2, HC1, FX1, Z1, \| Final Cut Studio 2

April 21st, 2007, 04:49 PM	#3
Brandon Svec Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alameda, CA Posts: 35	Can you explain the _BC_, _CD_ keys, etc in the apple post? I understand the concept of the i and p frames and can see them, but am missing something here.. Thanks in advance.

April 21st, 2007, 04:54 PM	#4
Austin Meyers Contributor Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: austin, tx Posts: 300	in regards to cinema tools the aa, bb, bc cd dd buttons just tell cinema tools where to start the cadence on the file it's going to process. __________________ Compositing is my life right now. IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3596782/

April 22nd, 2007, 10:05 AM	#5
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	So far, for some reason, only AA cadance works for me, so I have to make every clip start with AA cadance but it works great.

April 23rd, 2007, 11:10 AM	#7
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Austin, I tried every possible orders and combinations then that was what worked for me. Odd, but anyhow, setting the clips to AA cadance is not much problem to me at this point. It is great to have a way to edit 24P. Batch works fine, too.

May 29th, 2007, 03:05 PM	#8
Norm Goodger Regular Crew Join Date: May 2007 Location: Maple Grove, MN. Posts: 30	from another discussion I found just to add it here too... p-p-i-i-p - aa p-i-i-p-p - bb i-p-p-p-i - bc p-p-p-i-i - cd When using Cinema Tools to rev telecine.. If you can spot the order in your clip by viewing it, or place the play head at the beginning of a pppii, then it should work fine according to what I've read..

November 18th, 2007, 05:26 AM	#9
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	Does anybody know if any of the above method work with FCP6 and DVCPRO HD codec file? Now the new Cinematool seems like read and initiate the reverse telecine on DVCPRO HD file, but never seems to work. I know it was only working for AIC before, but has anyone successfully reversetelecined the DVCPRO HD footage?

November 18th, 2007, 05:44 AM	#10
Kaku Ito Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Posts: 1,382	I figured it out. Same as my post above, make it on "AA", but one of the clip had to be set in the "capture mode" to be <Field 1 - Field 2> and the Fields to be <Style 2> and A1A2. I'm going to figure this out with other cadence patterns and I guess I have to look into Field 1 - Field 2 thing is depending on the capture timing (so ends up being inconsistent).

November 18th, 2007, 02:38 PM	#11
Ben Syverson Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: chicago Posts: 434	This is a lot of work -- why not use this technique, posted by apple?