Sony User Tries Canon HV20

Chris Barcellos · April 5th, 2007, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Sipe

now are these digital stills from the camera or are these "Screen" caps of the "non compressed" film?

These are bitmap captures of the time line of .m2t files captured to Premiere Pro.

Chris Barcellos · April 5th, 2007, 08:10 PM

Dennis and all:

Well I just took the camera out into the field, and did some wildlife shooting, just to see how it went.

A couple of things impressed me.

1. IAF actually worked real well ! I followed a bird through weeds, shrubs and grass, and the focus was maintained pretty well. I think Canon has recognized that in most situation in which you have HD filming, focus is a big issue. This instant focus feature snaps in pretty well. I am surprised.

2. I shot with teleextender, and it did quite well too. Even with IAF

3. I shot everything through the viewfinder, either steady stick, or tripod. For the telephoto, steady stick was no good. But, I will back track a bit on viewfinder. I think it worked better than I anticipated. Still not really a focusable situation, but actually could monitor decently through it.

I will try to post some screen graps and maybe even a couple of seconds of footage...later this evening.

Daymon Hoffman · April 5th, 2007, 08:29 PM

Chris,

looking forward to the footage. Thanks for your work and all this info. really good insites. Looks like May is the date for us here in aus. Can't wait!

Chris Barcellos · April 5th, 2007, 10:41 PM

This is short clip, highly compressed that demonstrates the instant auto focus. I had heard some bad comments about it, but it seems pretty nice the way it focus. I would like to post a couple actual .m2t files, but I don't think I can do it with the attachments provided below... I will have to see how much bandwidth I have on my site...

Chris Barcellos · April 6th, 2007, 12:02 AM

As close to original as possible. Note that the pond shots are a bit of a struggle, with the angle of the sun, and dark birds. I have done no color correction.

Also note that with the teleconvertor shots at the end, you may see some red fringing, which I assume is chromatic aberration. It really pronounced on other shots I took with teleconvertor today.

Download clip by right clicking and saving target, please. I don't know how much bandwith I will have

http://www.makeyourfilm.net/downloads/HV20clips.m2v CLOSED AT MOMENT DUE TO BANWIDTH Megaupload url provided below.

Ken Ross · April 6th, 2007, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

This is short clip, highly compressed that demonstrates the instant auto focus. I had heard some bad comments about it, but it seems pretty nice the way it focus. I would like to post a couple actual .m2t files, but I don't think I can do it with the attachments provided below... I will have to see how much bandwidth I have on my site...

Chris, I've never understood those comments where people were having trouble with IAF. Mine works perfectly and is far faster and more accurate than any I've used before.

Crhis, regarding the clips, the only 2 scenes were of the bird in the tree (very nice) and what looks like that backyard scene with the swimming pool.

Chris Barcellos · April 6th, 2007, 08:41 AM

Ken, it should have been a about 160 megabyte download. Was yours less ?

I ve had to pull the file just now, due to bandwidth issues.... I will see what other way I can post the file.

Ken Ross · April 6th, 2007, 09:15 AM

Chris, no, it was about 29megs.

Chris Barcellos · April 6th, 2007, 10:16 AM

I didn't think you could play a partial down load like that.. wow. File was definitely 162,000 plus kb...

Chris Barcellos · April 6th, 2007, 10:26 AM

Moderator:

Given the interest in this thread, will DVinfo host some footage for me ?

Stefan Hartmann · April 6th, 2007, 10:48 AM

Chris,
please shoot something in 24p Mode
and please upload it to www.megaupload.com

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: Can the NTSC US 60 Hz model also be switched into PAL
25 frames/sec ?
Is there any hidden menu that can do this or a firmware upgrade trick ?

Chris Barcellos · April 6th, 2007, 12:55 PM

Okay, I will check it out.

Chris Barcellos · April 6th, 2007, 01:35 PM

Okay, I have uploaded the footage I previously listed to Megal upload. Check it out there, unless someone at DVinfo wants to host. Here is url:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XL96FDZ0

I will also try to post a 24 clip of about 250 megs.

Chris Barcellos · April 6th, 2007, 02:25 PM

This is a 24p file. Has static shot with subject moving, then a pan. It was captured to Premiere Pro 2.0 in native .m2t format. Of course, HV20 records 24p inside the 60i stream, so some processing is subsequently required to maximize the 24p benefit. Here is download url at Megaupload:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LGSN70AP

Eric Sipe · April 6th, 2007, 02:35 PM

Think you might have uploaded two different clips. the one on mega upload is the M&M's one. Was that shot in 24p? and did you do any color correction? Did you use natural light or additional?

EDIT:: sorry for asking 24p i see it in your post now. =)

EDIT2:: okay was the M&M shot done in 24p? =)

April 5th, 2007, 08:10 PM	#47
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Dennis and all: Well I just took the camera out into the field, and did some wildlife shooting, just to see how it went. A couple of things impressed me. 1. IAF actually worked real well ! I followed a bird through weeds, shrubs and grass, and the focus was maintained pretty well. I think Canon has recognized that in most situation in which you have HD filming, focus is a big issue. This instant focus feature snaps in pretty well. I am surprised. 2. I shot with teleextender, and it did quite well too. Even with IAF 3. I shot everything through the viewfinder, either steady stick, or tripod. For the telephoto, steady stick was no good. But, I will back track a bit on viewfinder. I think it worked better than I anticipated. Still not really a focusable situation, but actually could monitor decently through it. I will try to post some screen graps and maybe even a couple of seconds of footage...later this evening. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

April 5th, 2007, 08:29 PM	#48
Daymon Hoffman Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 267	Chris, looking forward to the footage. Thanks for your work and all this info. really good insites. Looks like May is the date for us here in aus. Can't wait! __________________ Welcome... to the real world!

April 6th, 2007, 12:02 AM	#50
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Here is a rack of clips HV20 M2V As close to original as possible. Note that the pond shots are a bit of a struggle, with the angle of the sun, and dark birds. I have done no color correction. Also note that with the teleconvertor shots at the end, you may see some red fringing, which I assume is chromatic aberration. It really pronounced on other shots I took with teleconvertor today. Download clip by right clicking and saving target, please. I don't know how much bandwith I will have http://www.makeyourfilm.net/downloads/HV20clips.m2v CLOSED AT MOMENT DUE TO BANWIDTH Megaupload url provided below. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos Last edited by Chris Barcellos; April 6th, 2007 at 01:53 PM. Reason: advise of pull

April 6th, 2007, 08:41 AM	#52
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Ken, it should have been a about 160 megabyte download. Was yours less ? I ve had to pull the file just now, due to bandwidth issues.... I will see what other way I can post the file. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

April 6th, 2007, 10:16 AM	#54
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	I didn't think you could play a partial down load like that.. wow. File was definitely 162,000 plus kb... __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

April 6th, 2007, 09:15 AM	#53
Ken Ross Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,945	Chris, no, it was about 29megs.

April 6th, 2007, 10:26 AM	#55
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Will DVinfo host some footage Moderator: Given the interest in this thread, will DVinfo host some footage for me ? __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

April 6th, 2007, 10:48 AM	#56
Stefan Hartmann Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 46	Chris, please shoot something in 24p Mode and please upload it to www.megaupload.com Many thanks in advance. Regards, Stefan. P.S: Can the NTSC US 60 Hz model also be switched into PAL 25 frames/sec ? Is there any hidden menu that can do this or a firmware upgrade trick ?

April 6th, 2007, 12:55 PM	#57
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Okay, I will check it out. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

April 6th, 2007, 01:35 PM	#58
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Okay, I have uploaded the footage I previously listed to Megal upload. Check it out there, unless someone at DVinfo wants to host. Here is url: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XL96FDZ0 I will also try to post a 24 clip of about 250 megs. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos Last edited by Chris Barcellos; April 6th, 2007 at 01:36 PM. Reason: add information

April 6th, 2007, 02:25 PM	#59
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	24 p File This is a 24p file. Has static shot with subject moving, then a pan. It was captured to Premiere Pro 2.0 in native .m2t format. Of course, HV20 records 24p inside the 60i stream, so some processing is subsequently required to maximize the 24p benefit. Here is download url at Megaupload: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LGSN70AP __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

April 6th, 2007, 02:35 PM	#60
Eric Sipe Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lakewood, CA Posts: 42	Think you might have uploaded two different clips. the one on mega upload is the M&M's one. Was that shot in 24p? and did you do any color correction? Did you use natural light or additional? EDIT:: sorry for asking 24p i see it in your post now. =) EDIT2:: okay was the M&M shot done in 24p? =) Last edited by Eric Sipe; April 6th, 2007 at 02:36 PM. Reason: 24p was mentioned in post. misunderstanding