Brevis and the HV20 at DVinfo.net

Barlow Elton · March 30th, 2007, 05:46 PM

Here's a rough test clip that I CC'd for effect. Used the Brevis and HV20. The flickering you see on the edges of the frame were due to operator error. :) Just needed to zoom in slightly more on the image, but I'm new to this stuff so be kind.

http://disk.dvinfo.net/public/media/...V20-72024p.mov

Chris Barcellos · March 30th, 2007, 06:18 PM

Nice shot for giving us a feel of how the Brevis looks.

Is that the basic screen on the Brevis, or one of the newer ones ?

Ordered my HV20 from BH today, as they were first to indicate the camera was in stock. This just before they shut down for evening, 24 hours, as usual. They indicate they will be closed next week, but that orders placed today will be sent Sunday/Monday...

Alan Dunkel · March 30th, 2007, 06:50 PM

Barlow, You look like you are getting there pretty fast. I think you should keep the little HV20, and though an HVX200 is certainly a way better all around camera, these HV20s sure have a great image under decent conditions. It has a really great look at least in your footage and color correction choices. I've got some diver's gears from B&H and will be adding a follow focus if my Brevis35 works out well, maybe a week out still. Looks like a great little combo. I'm going to start with just a 50mm Nikon, but where there is potential.....
Thanks, Alan

Zak Forsman · March 30th, 2007, 06:56 PM

barlow, what's that "hit" at the 44 second mark? image jumps/distorts a bit. have you seen a lot of that with the HV20?

Barlow Elton · March 30th, 2007, 07:28 PM

Not sure. Possibly a hiccup from the adapter or a rolling shutter? I think I was accidentally in auto mode (yeah, pretty smart, I know) and that probably aggravated things to some extent.

Only had a few hours with the camera, and I only saw that effect once with the adapter. Stock lens footage was fine.

Allen--Thanks :)

Chris Barcellos · March 30th, 2007, 08:56 PM

Maybe you answered this, but was OIS on ? My FX1 has all kinds of problems with OIS on with my Mircro 35. At that 44 second mark, your hand was up around lens to focus, I assume, and it almost seemed like bump, with OIS trying to compensate. Hand carried or tripod, I don't think you can use OIS on these adapters.

John Benton · March 30th, 2007, 10:20 PM

Hey Barlow,
Thanks for posting, but I'm confused....Did you shoot this? (it look's like Michael Schoenfeld's assistant again in this footage)

I am looking at that combo, but there are some concerns with the image jitter (even w/out the adapter) in other threads.

I also want to see what Denis has in the way of stepdown rings for the Brevis.

BTW: What's up with XLCinema these days (is it offline?)

Hope you are well,
J

Barlow Elton · March 31st, 2007, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Benton

Hey Barlow,
Thanks for posting, but I'm confused....Did you shoot this? (it look's like Michael Schoenfeld's assistant again in this footage)

Michael was kind enough to let me try out his little combo the other day. Yes, I shot it with Chris, his assistant.

Quote:

I am looking at that combo, but there are some concerns with the image jitter (even w/out the adapter) in other threads.

Haven't had enough time with the camera to see if the jitter is a consistent thing. Mike Pappas has shot quite a bit with his HV20 so far and hasn't reported the problem.

Quote:

BTW: What's up with XLCinema these days (is it offline?)

Not sure exactly. Shane's out of town on a shoot and inaccessible. It should be back up soon.

Marty Hudzik · March 31st, 2007, 07:27 AM

Hey Barlow, quick question. I am assuming that the Brevis is a non flip adapter so this footage was viewed upside down in the VF/LCD?

I'll be getting my HV20 today (the new all purpose vacation cam plus doubles as deck and b-roll for my XL-H1) and I am curious about the Brevis as I am not that familiar with it.

Thanks.

John Benton · March 31st, 2007, 08:31 AM

Marty,
http://www.cinevate.com/
is the home of Dennis' Brevis - He is around on these forums too.

I am very excited by this combo - the one thing I have a question with (besides camera jittering & ois) is the step down rings used to attach the HV20 & the Brevis...

Barlow,
How was Michael's attached to the - what is it a 34mm on the Canon Lens?

Exciting combo,
I am wondering about Sound now

J

Alan Dunkel · March 31st, 2007, 09:52 AM

I ordered one 43mm to 55mm and one 55mm to 72mm step up ring from B&H though my Brevis35 isn't due for a week. It looks like the achromat might be needed for the HV20 though I got the HD bundle anyway for HVX200 and HD110 use. Dennis can clarify and he is going to be carrying rings for the HV20s.
Regards, Alan

Salah Baker · March 31st, 2007, 03:14 PM

Barlow,
I just got to play with the HV-20 (had it for over a week now and finally get to play) in the rain ...
How you feeling about the inter-cut with the bigger (A1) Canon cams now?

Dennis Wood · March 31st, 2007, 10:10 PM

Alan, that's correct. We are now stocking the ring sets to attach 43mm filter cams (like the HV20), 58mm threads, 62mm filter threads (V1U) and 82mm cams. For 72mm filter cams, they would attach with no step rings.

With our latest 72mm HD achromat, and appropriate step rings, we can pretty much guarantee the adapter will work with every cam out there from the JVC HD200 cam down, and move in seconds from cam to cam.

Marty, like you, we'll be using the HV20 for testing/crash cam/and tape deck!

Barlow Elton · April 1st, 2007, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salah Baker

Barlow,
I just got to play with the HV-20 (had it for over a week now and finally get to play) in the rain ...
How you feeling about the inter-cut with the bigger (A1) Canon cams now?

It seems like it will intercut well, but it won't be easy to make perfect matches the way you can between an A1 and a XL-H1. The HV20's image has its own unique feel and noise signature.

Salah Baker · April 1st, 2007, 01:52 PM

shoot me an e-mail Barlow
with XLCinema down I forgot your email addy

March 30th, 2007, 05:46 PM	#1
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	Brevis and the HV20 Here's a rough test clip that I CC'd for effect. Used the Brevis and HV20. The flickering you see on the edges of the frame were due to operator error. :) Just needed to zoom in slightly more on the image, but I'm new to this stuff so be kind. http://disk.dvinfo.net/public/media/...V20-72024p.mov

March 30th, 2007, 06:18 PM	#2
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Nice shot for giving us a feel of how the Brevis looks. Is that the basic screen on the Brevis, or one of the newer ones ? Ordered my HV20 from BH today, as they were first to indicate the camera was in stock. This just before they shut down for evening, 24 hours, as usual. They indicate they will be closed next week, but that orders placed today will be sent Sunday/Monday... __________________ Chris J. Barcellos Last edited by Chris Barcellos; March 30th, 2007 at 06:22 PM. Reason: Add content to post

March 30th, 2007, 06:50 PM	#3
Alan Dunkel Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 59	Thanks for the sample Barlow, You look like you are getting there pretty fast. I think you should keep the little HV20, and though an HVX200 is certainly a way better all around camera, these HV20s sure have a great image under decent conditions. It has a really great look at least in your footage and color correction choices. I've got some diver's gears from B&H and will be adding a follow focus if my Brevis35 works out well, maybe a week out still. Looks like a great little combo. I'm going to start with just a 50mm Nikon, but where there is potential..... Thanks, Alan

March 30th, 2007, 08:56 PM	#6
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Maybe you answered this, but was OIS on ? My FX1 has all kinds of problems with OIS on with my Mircro 35. At that 44 second mark, your hand was up around lens to focus, I assume, and it almost seemed like bump, with OIS trying to compensate. Hand carried or tripod, I don't think you can use OIS on these adapters. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

March 31st, 2007, 09:52 AM	#11
Alan Dunkel Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 59	I believe you need step up rings I ordered one 43mm to 55mm and one 55mm to 72mm step up ring from B&H though my Brevis35 isn't due for a week. It looks like the achromat might be needed for the HV20 though I got the HD bundle anyway for HVX200 and HD110 use. Dennis can clarify and he is going to be carrying rings for the HV20s. Regards, Alan

March 30th, 2007, 06:56 PM	#4
Zak Forsman Tourist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 3	barlow, what's that "hit" at the 44 second mark? image jumps/distorts a bit. have you seen a lot of that with the HV20?

March 30th, 2007, 07:28 PM	#5
Barlow Elton Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UT Posts: 945	Not sure. Possibly a hiccup from the adapter or a rolling shutter? I think I was accidentally in auto mode (yeah, pretty smart, I know) and that probably aggravated things to some extent. Only had a few hours with the camera, and I only saw that effect once with the adapter. Stock lens footage was fine. Allen--Thanks :)

March 30th, 2007, 10:20 PM	#7
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	Hey Barlow, Thanks for posting, but I'm confused....Did you shoot this? (it look's like Michael Schoenfeld's assistant again in this footage) I am looking at that combo, but there are some concerns with the image jitter (even w/out the adapter) in other threads. I also want to see what Denis has in the way of stepdown rings for the Brevis. BTW: What's up with XLCinema these days (is it offline?) Hope you are well, J

March 31st, 2007, 07:27 AM	#9
Marty Hudzik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 1,771	Hey Barlow, quick question. I am assuming that the Brevis is a non flip adapter so this footage was viewed upside down in the VF/LCD? I'll be getting my HV20 today (the new all purpose vacation cam plus doubles as deck and b-roll for my XL-H1) and I am curious about the Brevis as I am not that familiar with it. Thanks.

March 31st, 2007, 08:31 AM	#10
John Benton Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 658	Marty, http://www.cinevate.com/ is the home of Dennis' Brevis - He is around on these forums too. I am very excited by this combo - the one thing I have a question with (besides camera jittering & ois) is the step down rings used to attach the HV20 & the Brevis... Barlow, How was Michael's attached to the - what is it a 34mm on the Canon Lens? Exciting combo, I am wondering about Sound now J

March 31st, 2007, 03:14 PM	#12
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	Barlow, I just got to play with the HV-20 (had it for over a week now and finally get to play) in the rain ... How you feeling about the inter-cut with the bigger (A1) Canon cams now?

March 31st, 2007, 10:10 PM	#13
Dennis Wood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 916	Alan, that's correct. We are now stocking the ring sets to attach 43mm filter cams (like the HV20), 58mm threads, 62mm filter threads (V1U) and 82mm cams. For 72mm filter cams, they would attach with no step rings. With our latest 72mm HD achromat, and appropriate step rings, we can pretty much guarantee the adapter will work with every cam out there from the JVC HD200 cam down, and move in seconds from cam to cam. Marty, like you, we'll be using the HV20 for testing/crash cam/and tape deck!

April 1st, 2007, 01:52 PM	#15
Salah Baker Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Patterson La. Posts: 207	shoot me an e-mail Barlow with XLCinema down I forgot your email addy