B&H has shipped my HV20 ...

Mike Teutsch · March 20th, 2007, 05:21 PM

OK, official notice to all who attend NAB in Las Vegas, your image may be recorded by me! Be forwarned----Chris-Dylan-Rob-Lorinda-et all!

Yes!

Mike

Steve Montoto · March 20th, 2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Teutsch

Just got an email, mine is on the way! I surely want to take it to NAB! Wow, I am hyped! I have already ordered a bunch of accessories and I am really looking forward to this!!!!! :)

Mike

Damn Mike, Im jealous now! I WANT IT ! I WANT IT !

They should be filling all the preorders first before they sell them in the store dont you think? I preordered and paid for it over a month ago. =(

Steve

Mike Teutsch · March 20th, 2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Montoto

Damn Mike, Im jealous now! I WANT IT ! I WANT IT !

They should be filling all the preorders first before they sell them in the store dont you think? I preordered and paid for it over a month ago. =(

Steve

I am asuming that, but can't confirm.

Mike

John C. Chu · March 20th, 2007, 05:44 PM

I actually called B&H earlier this afternoon to see if I could buy one if I just walked in--they said no.

However, I did find it in stock at my back up source though. I should be receiving mine on Friday.

Woo-hoo!

Larry Kamerman · March 20th, 2007, 09:47 PM

HV20 footage. Straight out of the box test. Automatic everything. Only changed to 24f fom 60i. Sorry. Might take forever to download.

http://www.youngsterproduction.com/v...box%20test.mov

LINK NO LONGER ACTIVE

Robert Ducon · March 21st, 2007, 12:03 AM

Larry,

Thank you for posting. Was this shot in SD mode? The letterboxing was what suggested that.

The footage seems very contrasty and lacks latitude and, surprisingly, colour. Could just be the surroundings for colour. Latitude problems could just be due to the automatic exposure adaptation. Regardless, thank you for shooting and posting.

I see you have an XH-A1 or G1 there ;) Mind posting a simple side-by-side compare?

I've ordered a HV20 locally - I'll be sure to post test HD footage on my server when it arrives as well. (I have 70 tapes-worth of experience with the HDV Sony Z1U so I'll probably be able to see any differences quickly). Larry, nice to see a Mac Pro in there as well - I own two 19" NEC's myself. Nice pad in New York as well!

Arvid Kraght · March 21st, 2007, 12:26 AM

HI,

thanks, but this is not hd? Why converting to 24f? I thought the hv20 has 24p capabilities. The movements are a bit blurrie and not that good or it's just my eye's?!

Nick Laskowski · March 21st, 2007, 12:40 AM

Compared to Jung Kyu's footage this scared me, jittery and lots of diagonal lines during panning. Hopefully this is just the settings or new heads, low light looks good though, but then there are so many variables and I am sure we will see more footage in the coming days. I hope the next shipment they receive covers the rest of the pre orders, waiting is hard when other people already have them.

Rob Unck · March 21st, 2007, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Laskowski

Compared to Jung Kyu's footage this scared me, jittery and lots of diagonal lines during panning. Hopefully this is just the settings or new heads, low light looks good though, but then there are so many variables and I am sure we will see more footage in the coming days. I hope the next shipment they receive covers the rest of the pre orders, waiting is hard when other people already have them.

Agreed.

Larry, I appreciate the time and effort you took to upload the video, and I understand it's an out-of-the-box, all on "automatic" sample, but people on slow connections might want to wait for smaller file size downloads than wait for this one.

Were the bad interlace effects and strange panning effects evident in the raw video? Or am I mistaken and this is raw video? I assumed it was compressed. What do you mean by you "only changed to 24f fom 60i"? Is this a conversion from 24f to 60i or do you mean you shot in 24f mode and what we're seeing is the raw 24f video?

I'm not trying to look a gifthorse in the mouth, and thanks again for taking the time to do this for us.

Nick, I'm in the same boat as you and others who are "in line" to receive their HV20s from B&H. I have a feeling I might be waiting a while; I ordered mine on March 17! :)

Larry Kamerman · March 21st, 2007, 08:29 AM

Robert - footage was shot in HDV. Not sure about letterboxing. Color lacks attitude at least in part because of the not-very-colorful surroundings.

Rob- shot in HDV 24f mode, imported to FCP, made a quicktime movie and uploaded. I am, unfortunately, still quite tecnically challenged so I'm not sure what compression, if any, is involved in those steps. I attempted to upload footage as raw as possible.

Apologies. Understand this was not the best test of the camera. Just trying to give some quick shots. Will have time to do more thorough work with the camera in the coming days.

Billy Fatay · March 21st, 2007, 09:11 AM

Larry,

Thanks so much for posting footage. What would really be helpful I think is to post the raw video that FCP captured (just about 10 seconds worth so that the file size is downloadable). That footage will be 60i that contains 24p footage. Then we can all use our different methods (I use cinema tools) to reverse the pulldown and see what end-result-24p looks like out of this camera.

Is that possible?

Larry Kamerman · March 21st, 2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Fatay

Larry,

Thanks so much for posting footage. What would really be helpful I think is to post the raw video that FCP captured (just about 10 seconds worth so that the file size is downloadable). That footage will be 60i that contains 24p footage. Then we can all use our different methods (I use cinema tools) to reverse the pulldown and see what end-result-24p looks like out of this camera.

Is that possible?

Tell me how and I can try to do it later today/this evening. Also, a member on dvxuser is hosting the existing footage. will have to ask if he's willing to host some more.

Billy Fatay · March 21st, 2007, 10:06 AM

Thanks a lot. Basically, when you capture the footage in FCP it will place the file in your bin. That's the file we want. So the best thing to do is just capture 10 seconds from the camera and upload that file. Otherwise, if you try to just export 10 seconds from a longer captured file, FCP will need to recompress it (I think). If that doesn't make sense let me know.

Steve Montoto · March 21st, 2007, 10:38 AM

Just got my Tracking number mailed to me this morning!!!

=)

Austin Meyers · March 21st, 2007, 12:37 PM

i ordered mine on 3.7.07 and it's in transit, tracking says it should be here on friday

March 20th, 2007, 05:21 PM	#16
Mike Teutsch Inner Circle Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Port St. Lucie, Florida Posts: 2,614	OK, official notice to all who attend NAB in Las Vegas, your image may be recorded by me! Be forwarned----Chris-Dylan-Rob-Lorinda-et all! Yes! Mike __________________ Chapter one, line one. The BH.

March 20th, 2007, 09:47 PM	#20
Larry Kamerman Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York,NY Posts: 100	Footage HV20 footage. Straight out of the box test. Automatic everything. Only changed to 24f fom 60i. Sorry. Might take forever to download. http://www.youngsterproduction.com/v...box%20test.mov LINK NO LONGER ACTIVE __________________ www.gencofilms.com Last edited by Larry Kamerman; March 21st, 2007 at 05:16 PM.

March 21st, 2007, 12:03 AM	#21
Robert Ducon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 400	Larry, Thank you for posting. Was this shot in SD mode? The letterboxing was what suggested that. The footage seems very contrasty and lacks latitude and, surprisingly, colour. Could just be the surroundings for colour. Latitude problems could just be due to the automatic exposure adaptation. Regardless, thank you for shooting and posting. I see you have an XH-A1 or G1 there ;) Mind posting a simple side-by-side compare? I've ordered a HV20 locally - I'll be sure to post test HD footage on my server when it arrives as well. (I have 70 tapes-worth of experience with the HDV Sony Z1U so I'll probably be able to see any differences quickly). Larry, nice to see a Mac Pro in there as well - I own two 19" NEC's myself. Nice pad in New York as well! __________________ Mac + Canon HV20 Last edited by Robert Ducon; March 21st, 2007 at 12:35 AM.

March 21st, 2007, 08:29 AM	#25
Larry Kamerman Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York,NY Posts: 100	Robert - footage was shot in HDV. Not sure about letterboxing. Color lacks attitude at least in part because of the not-very-colorful surroundings. Rob- shot in HDV 24f mode, imported to FCP, made a quicktime movie and uploaded. I am, unfortunately, still quite tecnically challenged so I'm not sure what compression, if any, is involved in those steps. I attempted to upload footage as raw as possible. Apologies. Understand this was not the best test of the camera. Just trying to give some quick shots. Will have time to do more thorough work with the camera in the coming days. __________________ www.gencofilms.com

March 21st, 2007, 12:37 PM	#30
Austin Meyers Contributor Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: austin, tx Posts: 300	hv20 shipped i ordered mine on 3.7.07 and it's in transit, tracking says it should be here on friday __________________ Compositing is my life right now. IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3596782/

March 20th, 2007, 05:44 PM	#19
John C. Chu Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rego Park , NYC Posts: 665	I actually called B&H earlier this afternoon to see if I could buy one if I just walked in--they said no. However, I did find it in stock at my back up source though. I should be receiving mine on Friday. Woo-hoo!

March 21st, 2007, 12:26 AM	#22
Arvid Kraght New Boot Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Holland Posts: 8	HI, thanks, but this is not hd? Why converting to 24f? I thought the hv20 has 24p capabilities. The movements are a bit blurrie and not that good or it's just my eye's?!

March 21st, 2007, 12:40 AM	#23
Nick Laskowski New Boot Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Milwaukee, WI USA Posts: 12	Compared to Jung Kyu's footage this scared me, jittery and lots of diagonal lines during panning. Hopefully this is just the settings or new heads, low light looks good though, but then there are so many variables and I am sure we will see more footage in the coming days. I hope the next shipment they receive covers the rest of the pre orders, waiting is hard when other people already have them.

March 21st, 2007, 09:11 AM	#26
Billy Fatay New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 5	Larry, Thanks so much for posting footage. What would really be helpful I think is to post the raw video that FCP captured (just about 10 seconds worth so that the file size is downloadable). That footage will be 60i that contains 24p footage. Then we can all use our different methods (I use cinema tools) to reverse the pulldown and see what end-result-24p looks like out of this camera. Is that possible?

March 21st, 2007, 10:06 AM	#28
Billy Fatay New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 5	Thanks a lot. Basically, when you capture the footage in FCP it will place the file in your bin. That's the file we want. So the best thing to do is just capture 10 seconds from the camera and upload that file. Otherwise, if you try to just export 10 seconds from a longer captured file, FCP will need to recompress it (I think). If that doesn't make sense let me know.

March 21st, 2007, 10:38 AM	#29
Steve Montoto Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 302	Just got my Tracking number mailed to me this morning!!! =)