HV20 + SONY HVR-DR60 Hard Disk Recorder Possible?... at DVinfo.net

Lorry Smyth · February 9th, 2007, 12:28 AM

Owning now an HV10 and being absolutely in love with it, I will be upgrading to the HV20 as soon as it comes as it adds several features like progressive recording that I always wished for. However, the workflow of tape based video capture and editing for me now-a-days is becoming completely pre-historic and, the biggest gripe for me on the HV20 is that it is still a DV tape based machine instead of using a hard disk or a memory card of some sort.

I am hoping that it will be possible to combine the HV20 with Sony's HVR-DR60 60Gb Hard Disk Recorder but, I have no clue if that is possible or/and what limitations I will face.

I'd like to get some insight and advice regarding the feasibility of such a setup from some of you that know so much more about this stuff than I do :) as I really hope that matching the HV20 with the Sony Hard Disk based solution would bring the best of both world's into one (still fairly portable) setup that would free me from the use of tape.

Thanks to all in advance! :)

Lorry

Chris Barcellos · February 9th, 2007, 02:04 AM

Lorry. Where will you be storing all your disk captured raw video ? You need to consider that before making the move to tapeless. Tape is still the champ, in my opinion for safest storage.

Lorry Smyth · February 9th, 2007, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

Lorry. Where will you be storing all your disk captured raw video ? You need to consider that before making the move to tapeless. Tape is still the champ, in my opinion for safest storage.

Chris, I'd like to have the same workflow I have when shooting with the HVX200. I can delete on camera the takes i don't like and only keep the good ones. Then, basically transfer the individual clips onto my computer and then use them for editing. Once edited I don't need the original footage and just delete it. Tape requires long capuring jobs. Usually I end-up storing my final cuts as WMD-HD or Quicktime HD movies.

Lee Wilson · February 9th, 2007, 04:09 AM

Buy a cheap laptop with a fast internal hard drive and a firewire port.

Chris Hurd · February 9th, 2007, 07:56 AM

It's not necessary to "give up" tape when choosing a tapeless recording option. You could simply roll tape at the same time that you're recording to a FireWire hard drive, which gives you the best of both worlds: the convenience of edit-ready files with no time expense for ingest; and the twin advantages of a back-up copy / archive on tape.

Moving to tapeless does not mean that you're giving up tape. Tapeless recording is in addition to, not a substitute for, recording to tape... as long as there's a tape transport in the camcorder.

Thomas Smet · February 9th, 2007, 09:23 AM

It is my understanding that the HVR-DR60 will in fact work with any HDV camera that has firewire output. With that said however it was brought to my attention that the device will not start up as fast as it does with the newer SONY cameras. With the SONY cameras a perfect instant sync between the video on the hard drive and the video on a tape is possible. With other HDV cameras this link may not happen. I'm not sure if this is a big deal or not or if it is just a marketing thing from SONY. Maybe somebody else can tell you if the sync has been an issue for them with other recorders such as the Firestore.

Chris Barcellos · February 9th, 2007, 11:15 AM

I agree with CH above, its like a belt and suspenders approach. But the way this thread starts out, in the HV20 realm, it seems like expense is a big issue. That was my concern in indicating Lorry needed to consider that.

Paulo Teixeira · February 9th, 2007, 01:54 PM

Sorry, Wrong thread

February 9th, 2007, 12:28 AM	#1
Lorry Smyth Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Fracisco, CA Posts: 49	HV20 + SONY HVR-DR60 Hard Disk Recorder Possible?... Owning now an HV10 and being absolutely in love with it, I will be upgrading to the HV20 as soon as it comes as it adds several features like progressive recording that I always wished for. However, the workflow of tape based video capture and editing for me now-a-days is becoming completely pre-historic and, the biggest gripe for me on the HV20 is that it is still a DV tape based machine instead of using a hard disk or a memory card of some sort. I am hoping that it will be possible to combine the HV20 with Sony's HVR-DR60 60Gb Hard Disk Recorder but, I have no clue if that is possible or/and what limitations I will face. I'd like to get some insight and advice regarding the feasibility of such a setup from some of you that know so much more about this stuff than I do :) as I really hope that matching the HV20 with the Sony Hard Disk based solution would bring the best of both world's into one (still fairly portable) setup that would free me from the use of tape. Thanks to all in advance! :) Lorry

February 9th, 2007, 02:04 AM	#2
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Lorry. Where will you be storing all your disk captured raw video ? You need to consider that before making the move to tapeless. Tape is still the champ, in my opinion for safest storage. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

February 9th, 2007, 07:56 AM	#5
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	It's not necessary to "give up" tape when choosing a tapeless recording option. You could simply roll tape at the same time that you're recording to a FireWire hard drive, which gives you the best of both worlds: the convenience of edit-ready files with no time expense for ingest; and the twin advantages of a back-up copy / archive on tape. Moving to tapeless does not mean that you're giving up tape. Tapeless recording is in addition to, not a substitute for, recording to tape... as long as there's a tape transport in the camcorder. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 9th, 2007, 11:15 AM	#7
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	I agree with CH above, its like a belt and suspenders approach. But the way this thread starts out, in the HV20 realm, it seems like expense is a big issue. That was my concern in indicating Lorry needed to consider that. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

February 9th, 2007, 01:54 PM	#8
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February 9th, 2007, 04:09 AM	#4
Lee Wilson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 376	Buy a cheap laptop with a fast internal hard drive and a firewire port.

February 9th, 2007, 09:23 AM	#6
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	It is my understanding that the HVR-DR60 will in fact work with any HDV camera that has firewire output. With that said however it was brought to my attention that the device will not start up as fast as it does with the newer SONY cameras. With the SONY cameras a perfect instant sync between the video on the hard drive and the video on a tape is possible. With other HDV cameras this link may not happen. I'm not sure if this is a big deal or not or if it is just a marketing thing from SONY. Maybe somebody else can tell you if the sync has been an issue for them with other recorders such as the Firestore.