Waiting for HV20 footage...

Chris Hurd · February 2nd, 2007, 09:31 PM

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...it would play closer to the PQ of a XHA1.

Nope -- it's the exact same sensor and almost the same lens as the HV10. Therefore it will be closer to the picture quality of the HV10, not the XH A1. The only thing it has in common with the A1 is the Digic DV processor.

In the right light under the right conditions (outdoors on a good day), it'll cut well with an A1. But so does the HV10 right now. Bottom line, between the HV10 and A1, the HV20 will be closer to the HV10. Hope this helps,

Mathieu Kassovitz · February 2nd, 2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Nope -- it's the exact same sensor and almost the same lens as the HV10. Therefore it will be closer to the picture quality of the HV10, not the XH A1. The only thing it has in common with the A1 is the Digic DV processor.

But the same cine color mode based on the custom presets included with the Canon XH series. . .

Chris Hurd · February 2nd, 2007, 09:50 PM

Well, based on just one of them though. Preset #8 to be exact. And it's not exactly the same as the XH preset, either. Better to describe it as "inspired by" that one particular preset.

Laurentiu Todie · February 2nd, 2007, 11:27 PM

I haven't even started using my HV10, and I don't really care to replace it soon, but I hope that some of the features of the 20 will be available through firmware upgrade.
Does that make sense to anyone more familiar with the process than myself?

Owen Meek · February 3rd, 2007, 06:28 AM

why i am optimistic about the PQ being closer to A1 is regarding the progressive
mode. that when compared with HV10's interlaced footage deinterlaced in post will result in softer image.

and comparable low light performance to A1 which should also boost shadow detail during day that would be super uber.

Stu Holmes · February 3rd, 2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Owen Meek

and comparable low light performance to A1 which should also boost shadow detail during day that would be super uber.

well shadow detail in day really has very little to do with low-light performance.
shadow detail will be a function of things like sensor-latitude (same as HV10..), gamma curve (prob same as HV10), Digic processing (same as HV10) and, simply, the exposure used for the shot.

I think Chris said it very well - its similar optics and same CMOS sensor as HV10, so if you want to know what the video will look like, just look at HV10 footage. (which is really excellent).

XHA1 is 3-chip CCD, this is single-chip CMOS.
- Both HDV, but they arrive at the end-image by quite different paths.

Owen Meek · February 4th, 2007, 04:03 AM

ok thanks Stu, didn't know that.

i will move down from cloud 9 down to cloud 7.. still high!

Matthew Johnston · February 7th, 2007, 09:28 AM

HV20 sample footage, and Japanese review posted:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...7/zooma294.htm

Glenn Thomas · February 8th, 2007, 04:31 AM

Great, thanks! Here's a translated version -
http://translate.google.com/translat...&hl=en&ie=UTF8

I also located two other clips not listed on the page there that are worth grabbing -
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...0207/ezsm2.mov
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...0207/ezsm2.mov

Actually, in movie ezsm4.mov at the end where there's a sunset and it pans down over the bicycle. That looks glitchy. What would be causing that, the rolling shutter, OIS, or could it just be a bad tripod move? It's not a good sign if it's caused by the rolling shutter or OIS.

Susan Joseph · February 8th, 2007, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Thomas

I also located two other clips not listed on the page there that are worth grabbing -
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...0207/ezsm2.mov
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...0207/ezsm2.mov

Actually, in movie ezsm4.mov at the end where there's a sunset and it pans .

Aren't both files the same? Is there any other link?

Thomas Smet · February 8th, 2007, 09:05 AM

Those clips are on the page. There are 3 clips of the woman that are the same except for the different shooting modes used.

Glenn Thomas · February 9th, 2007, 06:37 AM

The ones on the page are 3, 4 and 5 if I remember correctly. The others that don't appear are 1 & 2.. Sorry I just posted 2 twice. Just different shots of the girl with different settings. Looks good.

February 2nd, 2007, 09:50 PM	#18
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Well, based on just one of them though. Preset #8 to be exact. And it's not exactly the same as the XH preset, either. Better to describe it as "inspired by" that one particular preset. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

February 2nd, 2007, 11:27 PM	#19
Laurentiu Todie New Boot Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rego Park, NY Posts: 20	Firmware Upgrade I haven't even started using my HV10, and I don't really care to replace it soon, but I hope that some of the features of the 20 will be available through firmware upgrade. Does that make sense to anyone more familiar with the process than myself?

February 7th, 2007, 09:28 AM	#23
Matthew Johnston Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: grand rapids michigan usa Posts: 54	HV20 sample footage, and Japanese review posted: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...7/zooma294.htm __________________ www.mattjohnstonrally.com

February 8th, 2007, 04:31 AM	#24
Glenn Thomas Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 320	Great, thanks! Here's a translated version - http://translate.google.com/translat...&hl=en&ie=UTF8 I also located two other clips not listed on the page there that are worth grabbing - http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...0207/ezsm2.mov http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...0207/ezsm2.mov Actually, in movie ezsm4.mov at the end where there's a sunset and it pans down over the bicycle. That looks glitchy. What would be causing that, the rolling shutter, OIS, or could it just be a bad tripod move? It's not a good sign if it's caused by the rolling shutter or OIS. Last edited by Glenn Thomas; February 8th, 2007 at 05:30 AM.

February 3rd, 2007, 06:28 AM	#20
Owen Meek Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 69	why i am optimistic about the PQ being closer to A1 is regarding the progressive mode. that when compared with HV10's interlaced footage deinterlaced in post will result in softer image. and comparable low light performance to A1 which should also boost shadow detail during day that would be super uber.

February 4th, 2007, 04:03 AM	#22
Owen Meek Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 69	ok thanks Stu, didn't know that. i will move down from cloud 9 down to cloud 7.. still high!

February 8th, 2007, 09:05 AM	#26
Thomas Smet Trustee Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 1,719	Those clips are on the page. There are 3 clips of the woman that are the same except for the different shooting modes used.

February 9th, 2007, 06:37 AM	#27
Glenn Thomas Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 320	The ones on the page are 3, 4 and 5 if I remember correctly. The others that don't appear are 1 & 2.. Sorry I just posted 2 twice. Just different shots of the girl with different settings. Looks good.