Canon HV20 Press Release, Overview and more

Andrew King · February 11th, 2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Yi Fong Yu

the only barrier to using this on indie/negative budget shoots is getting cast/crew to respect the size of the cam. it's so small that they'll just brush it off...

Unless, of course, you are shooting a 'Bowfinger' style movie where your lead actor does not even know they are in it!

Rati Oneli · February 12th, 2007, 01:25 PM

get a redrock or cinevate adapter and get rid of your 3ccd cam. :))

Jaser Stockert · February 22nd, 2007, 08:51 PM

so besides 24p, what other progressive modes does the hv20 record at?

Jesse Bekas · February 22nd, 2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaser Stockert

so besides 24p, what other progressive modes does the hv20 record at?

Reading the manual, the only option besides 60i that seems available is "pf24" which is 24p put into the 60i signal through 2:3 pulldown (although the manual doesn't say all that.)

Chris Hurd · February 23rd, 2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaser Stockert

so besides 24p, what other progressive modes does the hv20 record at?

24p is the only progressive mode on the HV20.

As Jesse points out above, it is referred to as pf24 in the camera menu.

Mathieu Kassovitz · February 23rd, 2007, 12:26 AM

Well, there's 25p too. . . ;-) (I know I'm referring the PAL version LOL)

BTW, is there any information on the shutter speed over 25p? Chris?

Rob LaPoint · February 23rd, 2007, 07:20 AM

Has anyone been able to confirm that we are definetly going to get an uncompressed feed out of the HDMI when shooting? If so I'm going to pull the trigger on buying one right now.

Chris Hurd · February 23rd, 2007, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mathieu Kassovitz

Well, there's 25p too. . . ;-)

My apologies... I am embarrassed now. Of course there's 25p. Sometimes I forget just how large the European and Australian readership is around here! I haven't seen a copy of the PAL / 50i version of the HV20 owner's manual yet, so I'm not exactly sure what the shutter speeds will be. Certainly it will have 1/25th and 1/50th though.

For Rob, I don't think it could be anything other than uncompressed output over HDMI, but of course nobody knows for sure until the camera comes out or Canon says something (in my experience the former usually happens before the latter).

Rob LaPoint · February 23rd, 2007, 11:35 AM

I am assuming that is has to be uncompressed as well, Otherwise there would be a time delay on the signal. The other thing that I am trying to figure out is if the signal coming out of the HDMI is 4:2:2 8 bit. I am planning on grabbing it with a Blackmagic Intensity and I know that is what is supported by the card. But what I am wondering is if the card is recording 8bit off a 10bit signal or if the signal itself is 8 bit. Eitherway this will be a mind blowing setup.

Fergus Anderson · February 23rd, 2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

My apologies... I am embarrassed now. Of course there's 25p. Sometimes I forget just how large the European and Australian readership is around here! I haven't seen a copy of the PAL / 50i version of the HV20 owner's manual yet, so I'm not exactly sure what the shutter speeds will be. Certainly it will have 1/25th and 1/50th though.

For Rob, I don't think it could be anything other than uncompressed output over HDMI, but of course nobody knows for sure until the camera comes out or Canon says something (in my experience the former usually happens before the latter).

I am really hoping that 25p will do higher than 50 shutter speed - 120 would be really useful for the saving private ryan style shots. The hv10 already looks progressive at 25 shutter speed

Tom Voigt · February 23rd, 2007, 01:30 PM

In this or another thread someone has asserted that using a 1/30th shutter gives you a 30p progressive picture. Is this true?

I often use 1/30th shutter on my GL-2 (in frame mode) to give me another stop of low-light capability. The motion signature looks about the same, even for high motion subjects such as dance. The only drawback is that the auto-focus suffers.

Jaser Stockert · February 24th, 2007, 03:53 AM

so how is panning in 24p? will it be a little stutter as opposed to 30p/60p(which isn't avail)?

Daniel Epstein · February 24th, 2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse Bekas

Reading the manual, the only option besides 60i that seems available is "pf24" which is 24p put into the 60i signal through 2:3 pulldown (although the manual doesn't say all that.)

Is this correct? The Canon 24F in HDV is not recorded this way on the XLH1. It is recorded to tape as 24F in HDV. It is recorded 60I with 2:3 Pull down in 24F DV. The camera does output HD this way through the SDI port but firewire outputs a 24F file.
Sony's new HDV 24P does record 24p to the 60I signal with pulldown so the recordings are not compatible.

Jaser Stockert · March 2nd, 2007, 07:34 PM

so i've read all and any info on the hv20. so am i correct that the camera shoots only in 1080 60i and 1080 24p?

what about the suggestion from above about 1/30th shutter. will this be the same as the gl2's 30p frame mode?

my use is mainly shooting interiors of homes consisting of maily slow pans and zooms and using the homeowner's lighting lamps and flourescents.

so lowlight and panning are a concern for me. is this the right camera for me? thanks for any feedback. =)

Ken Ross · March 3rd, 2007, 03:43 PM

The camera also shoots in regular DV mode (480). PQ of the HV10 is superb, so we expect at least that from the HV20 except for improved lowlight, 24p shooting, mike input, headphone output, HDMI out etc. It should be superb! Yes, if you like HD, this camera is for you!

February 23rd, 2007, 07:20 AM	#112
Rob LaPoint Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Pavilion, USA Posts: 64	Has anyone been able to confirm that we are definetly going to get an uncompressed feed out of the HDMI when shooting? If so I'm going to pull the trigger on buying one right now. __________________ Whatever works

February 23rd, 2007, 11:35 AM	#114
Rob LaPoint Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Pavilion, USA Posts: 64	I am assuming that is has to be uncompressed as well, Otherwise there would be a time delay on the signal. The other thing that I am trying to figure out is if the signal coming out of the HDMI is 4:2:2 8 bit. I am planning on grabbing it with a Blackmagic Intensity and I know that is what is supported by the card. But what I am wondering is if the card is recording 8bit off a 10bit signal or if the signal itself is 8 bit. Eitherway this will be a mind blowing setup. __________________ Whatever works

February 23rd, 2007, 01:30 PM	#116
Tom Voigt Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 92	30p via 1/30th Shutter? In this or another thread someone has asserted that using a 1/30th shutter gives you a 30p progressive picture. Is this true? I often use 1/30th shutter on my GL-2 (in frame mode) to give me another stop of low-light capability. The motion signature looks about the same, even for high motion subjects such as dance. The only drawback is that the auto-focus suffers.

February 12th, 2007, 01:25 PM	#107
Rati Oneli Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 60	get a redrock or cinevate adapter and get rid of your 3ccd cam. :))

February 22nd, 2007, 08:51 PM	#108
Jaser Stockert Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 147	so besides 24p, what other progressive modes does the hv20 record at?

February 23rd, 2007, 12:26 AM	#111
Mathieu Kassovitz Major Player Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: paris Posts: 289	Well, there's 25p too. . . ;-) (I know I'm referring the PAL version LOL) BTW, is there any information on the shutter speed over 25p? Chris?

February 24th, 2007, 03:53 AM	#117
Jaser Stockert Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 147	so how is panning in 24p? will it be a little stutter as opposed to 30p/60p(which isn't avail)?

March 2nd, 2007, 07:34 PM	#119
Jaser Stockert Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: California Posts: 147	so i've read all and any info on the hv20. so am i correct that the camera shoots only in 1080 60i and 1080 24p? what about the suggestion from above about 1/30th shutter. will this be the same as the gl2's 30p frame mode? my use is mainly shooting interiors of homes consisting of maily slow pans and zooms and using the homeowner's lighting lamps and flourescents. so lowlight and panning are a concern for me. is this the right camera for me? thanks for any feedback. =)

March 3rd, 2007, 03:43 PM	#120
Ken Ross Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,945	The camera also shoots in regular DV mode (480). PQ of the HV10 is superb, so we expect at least that from the HV20 except for improved lowlight, 24p shooting, mike input, headphone output, HDMI out etc. It should be superb! Yes, if you like HD, this camera is for you!