Canon HV20 Press Release, Overview and more

Devin Anderton · January 31st, 2007, 03:45 PM

The HV-20 sounds great! I would love to see any footage of it as soon as some is available. Here's a side question: which do you think gets better low-light: the GL2 or this new HV-20?

Ken Ross · January 31st, 2007, 03:45 PM

Sorry, but do you know what's even more amazing? Here their most inexpensive Canon HDV camcorder has HDMI and the larger Canons (bar the most expensive one) don't. I'd be a bit ticked off if I owner a larger Canon.

Paulo Teixeira · January 31st, 2007, 03:48 PM

The JVC Everio GZ-HD7 still have much more manual features than both the HC7 and the HV20. We just have to see how its picture holds up.

In the bright side, the HV20 may actually force Sony to lower the price of the HC7 to be around the same.

Daniele Lauretti · January 31st, 2007, 04:18 PM

Two questions:
I read on this forum that the HV10 had poor performance in high motion scenes, compared to sony's HC3. What does this mean? Artifacts or distortion in the image? Do you think that the HV20 will retain this problem?

Michael Struthers · January 31st, 2007, 04:18 PM

Tape based recording.

Small form factor super portable.

Great picture.

Improved low light.

Way to go, Canon.

Lee Wilson · January 31st, 2007, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

No, not really. The specs don't say if it's interlaced mode or progressive...

Progressive.

Dave Lammey · January 31st, 2007, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Ross

Sorry, but do you know what's even more amazing? Here their most inexpensive Canon HDV camcorder has HDMI and the larger Canons (bar the most expensive one) don't. I'd be a bit ticked off if I owner a larger Canon.

One theory for this .... Perhaps because the HV20, like the HV10, is also targeted as an edit deck, so the HDMI is more important with an edit deck than a camera (like the A1) that's intended to be used primarily as a camera.

Geoff Murrin · January 31st, 2007, 05:29 PM

Very curious as to how you would edit the 24p footage. FCP with pull down removal via Cinema Tools? Native HDV editing? Or dump it to another codec like AIC, or even DVC Pro HD? I realize you could just edit the 24p in the 60i stream, but native 24p would be so much easier/cooler.

Any thoughts?

John C. Chu · January 31st, 2007, 05:49 PM

I like the implementation of putting it into a 60i stream...makes it easier for hobbists and enthusiasts to just start editing with the stuff you get out this thing.

It's just editing HDV! If I had to get Final Cut Pro HD just to edit the footage from this thing, I would have to spend another thousand. As of now, I can edit from either iMovie or FCE.

Way cool.

Chris Hurd · January 31st, 2007, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Zimmerman

If you can only record 24p in HD, will you be able to record in HD then downconvert in camera to SD?

Since the HD 24p mode is recorded to tape as 60i, I don't see any reason why the camera couldn't do an SD downconvert over FireWire upon playback, as usual.

Quote:

Will you be able to put a good mic on the HV20 like a MKE300? Or will it have to be a Canon mic?

The Sennheiser MKE-300 will mount on the camcorder's accessory shoe and connect through the stereo mini-jack mic input. You can put any mic on the camera... if it's an XLR mic then you'll need an adapter of course. It's no different than any other consumer-grade camcorder with a 3.5mm stereo mic input.

Chris Hurd · January 31st, 2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devin Anderton

which do you think gets better low-light: the GL2 or this new HV-20?

Remember, standard definition usually outperforms high definition in low-light shooting situations.

Holly Rognan · January 31st, 2007, 06:34 PM

I am willing to bet that when shooting 24p at a 1/24 shutter this will outperform the Gl2 in low light. They both have 6 lux at 60i. Even if it is worse, it will probably resolve more detail than the Gl2 in lowlight. One major advantage to a progressive chip is that it doesn't loose resolution when shooting below a 60th shutter.

This will be a significantly better camera than the Gl2 in most respects; other than less manual control, no audio levels and a shorter zoom. Picture quality wise, the Gl2 won't have a chance.

Andrew Lee · January 31st, 2007, 06:43 PM

I wish it had LANC but I can do without it.
I wish it had histogram but I can do without it.
I wish it had peaking, I can JUST barely do without it.

Now is it top or bottom loading?

Chris Hurd · January 31st, 2007, 06:50 PM

The HV20 is a top-loader. Peaking and Magnification are already part of its Focus Assist features.

Jack Zhang · January 31st, 2007, 06:56 PM

I'm sorry but I can't get over this release date:

"Available in March 2008"

Isn't it supposed to be 2007? If not, then my patience for an HD camera has just run out. Within one year I might've gotten the HC1 instead of this.

January 31st, 2007, 03:45 PM	#31
Devin Anderton New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Owings Mills, Maryland Posts: 18	Wow... what a great sounding camera! The HV-20 sounds great! I would love to see any footage of it as soon as some is available. Here's a side question: which do you think gets better low-light: the GL2 or this new HV-20?

January 31st, 2007, 03:48 PM	#33
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	The JVC Everio GZ-HD7 still have much more manual features than both the HC7 and the HV20. We just have to see how its picture holds up. In the bright side, the HV20 may actually force Sony to lower the price of the HC7 to be around the same. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

January 31st, 2007, 04:18 PM	#35
Michael Struthers Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SF, Ca Posts: 421	This is a documentarist's dream camera Tape based recording. Small form factor super portable. Great picture. Improved low light. Way to go, Canon. __________________ Michael Struthers www.buzzdigital.com

January 31st, 2007, 05:29 PM	#38
Geoff Murrin Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 46	Editing Very curious as to how you would edit the 24p footage. FCP with pull down removal via Cinema Tools? Native HDV editing? Or dump it to another codec like AIC, or even DVC Pro HD? I realize you could just edit the 24p in the 60i stream, but native 24p would be so much easier/cooler. Any thoughts?

January 31st, 2007, 06:43 PM	#43
Andrew Lee Tourist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Milpitas, CA Posts: 4	I wish (HV20) I wish it had LANC but I can do without it. I wish it had histogram but I can do without it. I wish it had peaking, I can JUST barely do without it. Now is it top or bottom loading?

January 31st, 2007, 03:45 PM	#32
Ken Ross Trustee Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,945	Sorry, but do you know what's even more amazing? Here their most inexpensive Canon HDV camcorder has HDMI and the larger Canons (bar the most expensive one) don't. I'd be a bit ticked off if I owner a larger Canon.

January 31st, 2007, 04:18 PM	#34
Daniele Lauretti New Boot Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Aprilia Posts: 12	Two questions: I read on this forum that the HV10 had poor performance in high motion scenes, compared to sony's HC3. What does this mean? Artifacts or distortion in the image? Do you think that the HV20 will retain this problem?

January 31st, 2007, 05:49 PM	#39
John C. Chu Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rego Park , NYC Posts: 665	I like the implementation of putting it into a 60i stream...makes it easier for hobbists and enthusiasts to just start editing with the stuff you get out this thing. It's just editing HDV! If I had to get Final Cut Pro HD just to edit the footage from this thing, I would have to spend another thousand. As of now, I can edit from either iMovie or FCE. Way cool.

January 31st, 2007, 06:34 PM	#42
Holly Rognan Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Coalville America Posts: 244	I am willing to bet that when shooting 24p at a 1/24 shutter this will outperform the Gl2 in low light. They both have 6 lux at 60i. Even if it is worse, it will probably resolve more detail than the Gl2 in lowlight. One major advantage to a progressive chip is that it doesn't loose resolution when shooting below a 60th shutter. This will be a significantly better camera than the Gl2 in most respects; other than less manual control, no audio levels and a shorter zoom. Picture quality wise, the Gl2 won't have a chance.

January 31st, 2007, 06:50 PM	#44
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	The HV20 is a top-loader. Peaking and Magnification are already part of its Focus Assist features. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 31st, 2007, 06:56 PM	#45
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	I'm sorry but I can't get over this release date: "Available in March 2008" Isn't it supposed to be 2007? If not, then my patience for an HD camera has just run out. Within one year I might've gotten the HC1 instead of this.