HV-10 Discontinued after March 31st

Tom Roper · February 1st, 2007, 02:19 PM

The HV10 still has one feature important to me. It's more compact. I can find a slim pouch or hard case to go on my belt when trail riding the motocrosser. The HV20 could be made to work but the flat sides of the HV10 make it easier to stow.

Philip Williams · February 1st, 2007, 02:24 PM

If the HV10 is priced about $100 less than the HV20 I could definitely see an average consumer choosing it. I'd say a fairly typical consumer doesn't own an external microphone nor understand what 24P really is. For them an HV10 would probably be a perfectly adequate vacation or baby cam.

Dave Lammey · February 1st, 2007, 03:31 PM

I guess I may be the only one who likes the form factor of the HV10 ... the typical camcorder configuration (like the HV20) where you slip your hand under the strap at 90 degrees to the ground is only comfortable when you hold it at shoulder level (or above) or at waist level (if you cradle it without using the strap). But the HV10's 45 degree angle strap allows me to hold the cam like I'm pointing a gun, so I can shoot comfortably in the range between waist and shoulder level ... I may get the HV20 for its extra features but I'm keeping the HV10 for its stick-in-your-pocket, grab-and-shoot convenience.

Plus it looks like an old-fashioned 8mm camera, kinda retro.

Tim Le · February 1st, 2007, 03:45 PM

The HV10 is quite a bit smaller than the HV20, although they weigh almost the same. This website has some comparison pictures of the two:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...131/canon1.htm

I'm also fine with the HV10 form factor and actually like it for the smaller size. I only wish it had the additional features of the HV20 and of course, a wider lens. If anything, just being able to turn off the AGC would have been nice.

Evan C. King · February 1st, 2007, 03:48 PM

Since the hv10 has been in production or a while now it probably costs less to make so if it's street price gets down to 800-850, I think it'll have killer sales with the average consumer. They won't be able to keep them in stock and would have dealt sony an HD death blow.

The hv20 already has a crazy market built in if it's 24p works right and comes off better than the V1U's, and probably every educational institution is gonna flip out once they hear of it.

24p, HD at that price to schools that typically had to spend 3k per camera might bring an age of OCPFS (a play on OLPC) or One Camera Per Film Student.

Chris Hurd · February 1st, 2007, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Le

just being able to turn off the AGC would have been nice.

AGC is off when shooting in Tv (shutter priority) mode. Press the Exp. button to lock the iris where you want it, without gain.

Holly Rognan · February 1st, 2007, 06:11 PM

AGC isn't off when in TV mode for me. I can bring drown the exposure, but I dont know what gain settings is being used.

Tom Roper · February 1st, 2007, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly Rognan

AGC isn't off when in TV mode for me. I can bring drown the exposure, but I dont know what gain settings is being used.

That's kind of my thought too but until Chris pointed out the Tv - Exposure lock trick I hadn't considered this cam could do full manual either. I wonder if it works that way for Av too? But certainly when you lock the exposure in one of the priority modes, gain is locked. As you say, you just don't know at what gain.

I really like Dave Lammey's point about being able to shoot at something other than shoulder level with the HV10. I had not considered that. With my HV10, I've only really felt I could get stable enough shots at telephoto lengths by pressing the viewfinder against my face and holding it with both hands.

The only problem I really have with the HV10 ergonomics is controlling the zoom slider. But the zoom rocker on my XH-A1 kinda sucks too (flimsy), might be no better on HV20, wait and see. I use the zoom ring on the XH-A1 which is the saviour, but the zoom rocker on my former Sony Z1 was the best. I felt adept enough with it to use the variable speed setting, whereas the XH-A1 and HV-10 I use fixed zoom speeds.

February 1st, 2007, 02:24 PM	#17
Philip Williams Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 614	If the HV10 is priced about $100 less than the HV20 I could definitely see an average consumer choosing it. I'd say a fairly typical consumer doesn't own an external microphone nor understand what 24P really is. For them an HV10 would probably be a perfectly adequate vacation or baby cam. __________________ www.philipwilliams.com

February 1st, 2007, 02:19 PM	#16
Tom Roper Trustee Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 1,891	The HV10 still has one feature important to me. It's more compact. I can find a slim pouch or hard case to go on my belt when trail riding the motocrosser. The HV20 could be made to work but the flat sides of the HV10 make it easier to stow.

February 1st, 2007, 03:31 PM	#18
Dave Lammey Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Simsbury, CT Posts: 247	I guess I may be the only one who likes the form factor of the HV10 ... the typical camcorder configuration (like the HV20) where you slip your hand under the strap at 90 degrees to the ground is only comfortable when you hold it at shoulder level (or above) or at waist level (if you cradle it without using the strap). But the HV10's 45 degree angle strap allows me to hold the cam like I'm pointing a gun, so I can shoot comfortably in the range between waist and shoulder level ... I may get the HV20 for its extra features but I'm keeping the HV10 for its stick-in-your-pocket, grab-and-shoot convenience. Plus it looks like an old-fashioned 8mm camera, kinda retro.

February 1st, 2007, 03:45 PM	#19
Tim Le Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 350	The HV10 is quite a bit smaller than the HV20, although they weigh almost the same. This website has some comparison pictures of the two: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...131/canon1.htm I'm also fine with the HV10 form factor and actually like it for the smaller size. I only wish it had the additional features of the HV20 and of course, a wider lens. If anything, just being able to turn off the AGC would have been nice.

February 1st, 2007, 03:48 PM	#20
Evan C. King Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 532	Since the hv10 has been in production or a while now it probably costs less to make so if it's street price gets down to 800-850, I think it'll have killer sales with the average consumer. They won't be able to keep them in stock and would have dealt sony an HD death blow. The hv20 already has a crazy market built in if it's 24p works right and comes off better than the V1U's, and probably every educational institution is gonna flip out once they hear of it. 24p, HD at that price to schools that typically had to spend 3k per camera might bring an age of OCPFS (a play on OLPC) or One Camera Per Film Student.

February 1st, 2007, 06:11 PM	#22
Holly Rognan Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Coalville America Posts: 244	AGC isn't off when in TV mode for me. I can bring drown the exposure, but I dont know what gain settings is being used.